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re: Nurses not professionals. Gotsome friends upset about it
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Oh well.
Thats how life works. They can get in line with the rest of the population.
Yeah...a shortage of healthcare workers would be fricking awesome.
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:12 am to Antonio Moss
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Only works as an analogy if the end goal of tariffs is the immediate reduction of price points … which it isn’t.
Just pointing out to the tariff people that their govt action raises costs, just like subsidizing loans and health care increases cost.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:13 am to Antonio Moss
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It’s not a professional degree. It’s a highly skilled profession but it isn’t a professional career.
How do you figure this? Here's the definition:
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professional career is a long-term occupation that requires specialized education, advanced training, and specific credentials to perform duties that often involve complex tasks, responsibility, and expertise. These careers, such as doctors, lawyers, and engineers, typically offer opportunities for advancement, financial stability, and may be distinguished by a formal certification or degree, like a bachelor's, master's, or doctorate.
That is precisely what a nurse anesthetist is. How does CRNA not fit here? (Seriously curious) They get a DNP....which is a doctorate.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 11:14 am
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:15 am to Powerman
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Yeah...a shortage of healthcare workers would be fricking awesome.
Strapping more debt on "nurses" will kill more jobs than capping what they can borrow in grad school.
An RN requires an AA. Its not that serious.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 11:16 am
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:19 am to SWINC
Well, they may need to stop letting them run doctor's offices and pretty much entire practices.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:22 am to Bigdawgb
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Are the NP/Midlevel programs also included or are they separate from the RN/LPN programs??
All nursing degrees are no longer professional and have a lower cap on financial aid. This includes masters and programs offering nurse practitioner degrees.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:23 am to LegendInMyMind
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Well, they may need to stop letting them run doctor's offices and pretty much entire practices.
I rarely see an actual doctor anymore and the NPS are fricking clueless.
Ive had one that was good, and she managed my chemo. Even then all she had to do is read a chart.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:24 am to SWINC
I never thought it would be professional. There is not enough didactic and clinical training to make it a profession at the basic level. Certification is fine. CRNAs can make bank and there are plenty of phenomenal ones out there.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:25 am to rumproast
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How does CRNA not fit here? (Seriously curious) They get a DNP....which is a doctorate.
Because even in most FPA states, a CRNA still has to work under a physician.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:26 am to LegendInMyMind
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Well, they may need to stop letting them run doctor's offices and pretty much entire practices
This is a larger problem evolved from Insurance squeezing allowable charges and reimbursement; further specializing everything; and health systems needing to squeeze in more patients to offset all of that. The only viable solution to them is to fill in the gaps with NPs and Assistants.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 11:27 am
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:28 am to WylieTiger
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This is a larger problem evolved from Insurance squeezing allowable charges and reimbursement; further specializing everything; and health systems needing to squeeze in more patients to offset all of that. The only viable solution is to fill in the gaps with NPs and Assistants.
In reality, my insurance company managed my chemo treatment. Hospital had me on two drugs of the same class, redundant. Insurance company called them on it.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:28 am to Antonio Moss
All I know is if somethings wrong with me, I’m seeing a MD nothing less for diagnosis.
Oschner all the time wants to pawn these nurse practitioners on me. Nope! I’ll see my MD please. Yes sir. His next appointment is….. Thank you
Oschner all the time wants to pawn these nurse practitioners on me. Nope! I’ll see my MD please. Yes sir. His next appointment is….. Thank you
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 11:30 am
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:29 am to Antonio Moss
A CRNA is not trained to conduct a review of systems to clear a patient for Surgery. They can suggest an anesthesia plan that the MD can agree with, but they cannot autonomously choose their own delivery of care without the MD.
In some states they can execute that plan independently. Ultimately there is oversight from the Medical Director or supervising MD in both inpatient and outpatient settings.
In some states they can execute that plan independently. Ultimately there is oversight from the Medical Director or supervising MD in both inpatient and outpatient settings.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:32 am to UptownJoeBrown
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All I know is if somethings wrong with me, I’m seeing a MD nothing less for diagnosis.
This is one reason I havent been to the doctors office in 10 months even though I still am sick.
It will cost $300 to see a pseudo doctor get antibiotics I already know I need.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:36 am to Antonio Moss
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Because even in most FPA states, a CRNA still has to work under a physician.
This is true. In talking loan caps, seems like they'd take into consideration the level of education one has to achieve to obtain the field degree. (And the cost of it.) While a nurse would likely never cap out while pursuing a R.N., people in the CRNA program are not allowed to work, and have to basically live off of loans or independent wealth for 3 years. (And tuition is not cheap.)
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
Ask to see an MD. I do it all the time.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:40 am to UptownJoeBrown
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Ask to see an MD. I do it all the time.
Evidently we have a terrible shortage here. My primary doctor retired (I was thrilled) but they replaced her with a NP.
If I want to see an actual doctor, I will wait weeks or months.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I rarely see an actual doctor anymore and the NPS are fricking clueless.
My mom has dealt with that while recovering from multiple fractures in her back. She wound up at a top notch ortho in our area, but through nearly a dozen appointments over the past three and a half years she never saw the doctor. Now, the nurse (I forget his letters) was absolutely great. He is by far the best she has dealt with, and I have recommended him to family and others.
Thankfully, she avoided surgery and just got fully released recently. I can say that nurse was never lacking in the care and recovery plan he laid out for my mom. He laid out all options, and was about as honest as you could hope for for an outfit in the business of pumping out surgeries. He actually advised against surgery from the start, though he said it was an option.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 12:19 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
You are conflating professional person with professional degree. As this pertains to education loans the latter is relevant.
Don't even get me fired up about the silly shite in healthcare with MS, Dr etc.
Its an academic abomination.
Don't even get me fired up about the silly shite in healthcare with MS, Dr etc.
Its an academic abomination.
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