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re: NY Times: The Coronavirus Attacks Fat Tissue, Scientists Find
Posted on 12/9/21 at 6:29 pm to jchamil
Posted on 12/9/21 at 6:29 pm to jchamil
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Wasn't this pretty much known from the start? I also feel like everything is harder on fat people, sort of just is what it is if you're fat
Yes, it was known from the very beginning, even as the press tried to hide it - remember all the pics of the "before Covid very healthy man" who died with the virus that was 350 lbs?
Which is why it made perfect sense that our medical establishment endorsed politicians in shutting down gyms, keeping people out of parks, off the beaches, tennis courts, etc., and instead gave them cash for UberEats so they didn't even have to cook for themselves while the veg'd out in front of NetFlix 18 hours per day.
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Posted on 12/9/21 at 6:43 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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We keep documenting the risk they have, but we still aren’t addressing it,”
Just take the vaccine and wear a mask!
- Filthy, rotten, mindless leftists
Posted on 12/9/21 at 6:53 pm to crazy4lsu
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remarkably little therapeutics which focus on metabolic factors in instances of weight loss, as you can see depressed TSH and thyroid function for years, among other metabolic factors.
You are correct (ain’t no pill to fix it)
Your bias is noted and illustrates many points I make here
The neglect of nutrition, exercise, sleep (circadian rhythm disruption) and mental health. These are your fixes. You literally have huge industries in place to sabatoge every component listed (and commonly accepted by everyone as “normal”…)
Only way to fix the problem is to fix the culture…
We are completely mismatched /maladapted to modern life. Some know it and profit off it…
It is more profitable for some to keep seeking out “therapeutics” approved by the high priests…
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Learn to swim Mom is going to have to intervene… Godspeed to all when the hybrids are rolled out (they will look like /are us)
Implies we are fricked sans another reset by a bollide or our new overlords coming out of the shadows (+/-)…
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 12/9/21 at 6:58 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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The neglect of nutrition, exercise, sleep (circadian rhythm disruption) and mental health.
None of this is actually neglected. You don't even understand what I mean or what I am referencing when I say 'metabolic.'
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You literally have huge industries in place to sabatoge every component listed (and commonly accepted by everyone as normal…)
What? What industries?
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Only way to fix the problem is to fix the culture…
Look at the demographic pattern of metabolic illness worldwide. This notion of culture is frankly idiotic when you see that the pattern of illness affects widely different culinary traditions. The real issues have to do with the nutritional content of food and how that affects the very specific interactions between certain hormones and systems. There are strong links with the use of processed palm oils and rising obesity in addition to fructose metabolism. But any notion that there is a 'cultural' solution fails to see reality on the ground. You won't get it from reading anything on the internet unfortunately.
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We are completely mismatched /maladapted to modern life. Some know it and profit off it…
I generally agree, but I suspect your solutions will be so general they might as well not exist. There are solutions here, but it would require changing a lot of things.
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 12/9/21 at 7:02 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Is it because they are fat or because they are diabetic? Diabetes has been known to be a deadly co-morbidity for a very long time.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 7:02 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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The neglect of nutrition, exercise, sleep (circadian rhythm disruption) and mental health. These are your fixes. You literally have huge industries in place to sabatoge every component listed (and commonly accepted by everyone as normal…) Only way to fix the problem is to fix the culture…
This is exactly right, but it’s the kind of solution not amenable to clinical practice so it gets widely ignored. I would add that stress and high cortisol levels are the underlying causes of obesity, drug addiction, alcoholism, and many other types of illness for a huge chunk of our population. The world we’ve built is not a very kind and loving place. It’s a spiritually and emotionally barren hellscape, and we continue to treat the symptoms instead of the cause.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 7:23 pm to crazy4lsu
I will respond with a long response over the weekend
The very start is that sleep wake patterns and subsequent eating schedules are broken (due to the 24 hour consumer society we constructed)
https://www.ted.com/talks/satchin_panda_circadian_code_to_extend_longevity/up-next
PS: you have the certainty of an expert (not a compliment) on many of the things you assert and presume about me…
The very start is that sleep wake patterns and subsequent eating schedules are broken (due to the 24 hour consumer society we constructed)
https://www.ted.com/talks/satchin_panda_circadian_code_to_extend_longevity/up-next
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Satchin Panda·TEDxVeniceBeach
Circadian Code to Extend Longevity
Editor’s note: This talk was filmed and uploaded by the volunteers who organized this TEDx event; speakers and topics are selected independently of TED. Up Next Details The following summary is provided to TED by TEDxVeniceBeach
Nurture your sleep and circadian rhythm by managing blue light, time restricted eating or intermittent fasting. Having a healthy circadian rhythm can balance hormones, brain chemicals, gut microbiome, organ function and reduces inflammation. These benefits add up to decades of healthy life.
PS: you have the certainty of an expert (not a compliment) on many of the things you assert and presume about me…
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 12/9/21 at 7:36 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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PS: you have a the certainty of an expert (not a compliment) on many of the things you assert and presume about me…
And that's from reading your posts and knowing you won't actually answer with anything substantive. You are the end-user of information. You don't understand any of it and seem willful in misunderstanding things. You don't have any idea of what things are like on the ground, and you yourself make massive presumptions. You don't even understand why I'm discussing therapeutics or the hormonal targets of these therapeutics. So just make your point or slink away, I don't care.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 8:11 pm to crazy4lsu
Isn’t it true, I’m sure it is, that if you psychologically torture a lab rat he’ll be more likely to seek temporary relief and to engage in self harm? I feel like modern man does that constantly, overindulging in fatty and sugar-laden foods, drinking too much, taking too many opioids and then getting trapped in the addiction… I just feel like the proof is incontrovertible that something immaterial is wrong with our world, and I would propose that the decline of old time religion and our failure to come up with an adequate substitute has a lot to do with it. We are rudderless, and as great as science and medicine are, they cannot replace religion or philosophy. In day to day life where else does a man go other than church where people talk about how to be good, to love they neighbor, to do unto others? Where else do people think about the meaning of life and how each person fits within it? Where else are the millionaire and the laborer equal before God? Without that forum to discuss morality and other less commercial topics, man is left adrift in a materialistic world that uses him to generate profit and then tries to patch up his physical decay with physical remedies. Our world is sick, and the cure is not medicine. And just because the remedy is hard to implement doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. Reawakenings or renaissances can and do happen.
With that said, I’m not a Luddite, and I listen to people with experience and expertise. But no man or discipline can claim exclusive jurisdiction over life itself. We all live it, and we all are qualified to think and talk about it.
With that said, I’m not a Luddite, and I listen to people with experience and expertise. But no man or discipline can claim exclusive jurisdiction over life itself. We all live it, and we all are qualified to think and talk about it.
Posted on 12/9/21 at 8:28 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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Implies we are fricked sans another reset by a bollide
Did you happen to see the count down on the McAfee Whacked site before the site was whacked?
Posted on 12/9/21 at 8:31 pm to LakeCharles
I'm fat because I'm lazy and I drink too much. Oh well, I'm fricked. Had a good run, boys!
Posted on 12/9/21 at 9:54 pm to SoDakHawk
East river or West river?
Posted on 12/10/21 at 6:49 am to crazy4lsu
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therapeutics
https://apnews.com/article/science-business-health-cancer-marcia-mcnutt-93219170405e3de753651b89d4308461
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Study can’t confirm lab results for many cancer experiments
By CARLA K. JOHNSON December 7, 2021
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Eight years ago, a team of researchers launched a project to carefully repeat early but influential lab experiments in cancer research. They recreated 50 experiments, the type of preliminary research with mice and test tubes that sets the stage for new cancer drugs. The results reported Tuesday: About half the scientific claims didn’t hold up.
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For the project, the researchers tried to repeat experiments from cancer biology papers published from 2010 to 2012 in major journals such as Cell, Science and Nature. Overall, 54% of the original findings failed to measure up to statistical criteria set ahead of time by the Reproducibility Project, according to the team’s study published online Tuesday by eLife. The nonprofit eLife receives funding from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, which also supports The Associated Press Health and Science Department.
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For now, skepticism is the right approach, said Dr. Glenn Begley, a biotechnology consultant and former head of cancer research at drugmaker Amgen. A decade ago, he and other in-house scientists at Amgen reported even lower rates of confirmation when they tried to repeat published cancer experiments.
Cancer research is difficult, Begley said, and “it is very easy for researchers to be attracted to results that look exciting and provocative, results that appear to further support their favorite idea as to how cancer should work, but that are just wrong.”
No time to verify/validate, we have to “help” folks NOW….
Trust “the science”…
Posted on 12/10/21 at 6:52 am to ThinePreparedAni
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...scientists have become increasingly convinced that their vulnerability has something to do with obesity itself.
Are these scientists going to be cancelled for being "anti-science?" This seems to be the pattern with those who contradict or refute Lord Fauci.
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Deep Dixit
Helluva porn name.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 6:55 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 7:17 am to ThinePreparedAni
Sooooooo...........
The New York Times is FAT SHAMING the body positivity movement?!
The New York Times is FAT SHAMING the body positivity movement?!
Posted on 12/10/21 at 7:29 am to Gaspergou202
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Sooooooo...........
The New York Times is FAT SHAMING the body positivity movement?!
Riots, not diets…
Politics also factors into the dumb decisions made…
Posted on 12/10/21 at 11:50 am to crazy4lsu
The problem of weight gain is much more complicated than is being made out by people in this thread.
LINK
By Gina Kolata
Dec. 12, 2016
Dr. Frank Sacks, a professor of nutrition at Harvard, likes to challenge his audience when he gives lectures on obesity. “If you want to make a great discovery,” he tells them, figure out this: Why do some people lose 50 pounds on a diet while others on the same diet gain a few pounds?
Then he shows them data from a study he did that found exactly that effect.
Dr. Sacks’s challenge is a question at the center of obesity research today. Two people can have the same amount of excess weight, they can be the same age, the same socioeconomic class, the same race, the same gender. And yet a treatment that works for one will do nothing for the other.
The problem, researchers say, is that obesity and its precursor — being overweight — are not one disease but instead, like cancer, they are many. “You can look at two people with the same amount of excess body weight and they put on the weight for very different reasons,” said Dr. Arya Sharma, medical director of the obesity program at the University of Alberta.
If obesity is many diseases, said Dr. Lee Kaplan, director of the obesity, metabolism and nutrition institute at Massachusetts General Hospital, there can be many paths to the same outcome. It makes as much sense to insist there is one way to prevent all types of obesity — get rid of sugary sodas, clear the stores of junk foods, shun carbohydrates, eat breakfast, get more sleep — as it does to say you can avoid lung cancer by staying out of the sun, a strategy specific to skin cancer.
One focus of research is to figure out how many types of obesity there are — Dr. Kaplan counts 59 so far — and how many genes can contribute.
So far, investigators have found more than 25 genes with such powerful effects that if one is mutated, a person is pretty much guaranteed to become obese, said Dr. Stephen O’Rahilly, head of the department of clinical biochemistry and medicine at Cambridge University.
But those genetic disorders are rare. It is more likely that people inherit a collection of genes, each of which predispose them to a small weight gain in the right environment, said Ruth Loos, director of the genetics of obesity and related metabolic traits program at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. Scientists have found more than 300 such altered genes — each may contribute just a few pounds but the effects add up in those who inherit a collection of them, Dr. Loos said.
There are also drugs that, in some people, can cause weight gain. They include medications for psychiatric disorders, some drugs for diabetes, some for seizure disorders, beta blockers to lower blood pressure and slow the heart rate, and steroids to suppress the immune system, for example. People taking them, however, may not realize the drugs are part of their problem. Instead, they blame themselves for a lack of self-control as their weight climbs.
Certain diseases also cause weight gain, Dr. O’Rahilly noted. They include hypothyroidism, Cushing’s syndrome and tumors of the hypothalamus.
To help people find an effective way to lose weight, obesity medicine specialists say they start by asking if there is an obvious cause for a person’s excess weight, like a drug that can be switched for something else. If not, they suggest patients try one thing after another starting with the least invasive option, and hope something works.
“There are 40 therapies I can throw at a patient,” Dr. Kaplan said. “I will try diets and aerobic exercise and sleep enhancement. I have 15 drugs.”
Dr. Caroline Apovian, director of the nutrition and weight management center at Boston Medical Center, said most people can lose weight but keeping it off is the key. For most, she said, finding something that works “is still trial and error.”
LINK
By Gina Kolata
Dec. 12, 2016
Dr. Frank Sacks, a professor of nutrition at Harvard, likes to challenge his audience when he gives lectures on obesity. “If you want to make a great discovery,” he tells them, figure out this: Why do some people lose 50 pounds on a diet while others on the same diet gain a few pounds?
Then he shows them data from a study he did that found exactly that effect.
Dr. Sacks’s challenge is a question at the center of obesity research today. Two people can have the same amount of excess weight, they can be the same age, the same socioeconomic class, the same race, the same gender. And yet a treatment that works for one will do nothing for the other.
The problem, researchers say, is that obesity and its precursor — being overweight — are not one disease but instead, like cancer, they are many. “You can look at two people with the same amount of excess body weight and they put on the weight for very different reasons,” said Dr. Arya Sharma, medical director of the obesity program at the University of Alberta.
If obesity is many diseases, said Dr. Lee Kaplan, director of the obesity, metabolism and nutrition institute at Massachusetts General Hospital, there can be many paths to the same outcome. It makes as much sense to insist there is one way to prevent all types of obesity — get rid of sugary sodas, clear the stores of junk foods, shun carbohydrates, eat breakfast, get more sleep — as it does to say you can avoid lung cancer by staying out of the sun, a strategy specific to skin cancer.
One focus of research is to figure out how many types of obesity there are — Dr. Kaplan counts 59 so far — and how many genes can contribute.
So far, investigators have found more than 25 genes with such powerful effects that if one is mutated, a person is pretty much guaranteed to become obese, said Dr. Stephen O’Rahilly, head of the department of clinical biochemistry and medicine at Cambridge University.
But those genetic disorders are rare. It is more likely that people inherit a collection of genes, each of which predispose them to a small weight gain in the right environment, said Ruth Loos, director of the genetics of obesity and related metabolic traits program at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. Scientists have found more than 300 such altered genes — each may contribute just a few pounds but the effects add up in those who inherit a collection of them, Dr. Loos said.
There are also drugs that, in some people, can cause weight gain. They include medications for psychiatric disorders, some drugs for diabetes, some for seizure disorders, beta blockers to lower blood pressure and slow the heart rate, and steroids to suppress the immune system, for example. People taking them, however, may not realize the drugs are part of their problem. Instead, they blame themselves for a lack of self-control as their weight climbs.
Certain diseases also cause weight gain, Dr. O’Rahilly noted. They include hypothyroidism, Cushing’s syndrome and tumors of the hypothalamus.
To help people find an effective way to lose weight, obesity medicine specialists say they start by asking if there is an obvious cause for a person’s excess weight, like a drug that can be switched for something else. If not, they suggest patients try one thing after another starting with the least invasive option, and hope something works.
“There are 40 therapies I can throw at a patient,” Dr. Kaplan said. “I will try diets and aerobic exercise and sleep enhancement. I have 15 drugs.”
Dr. Caroline Apovian, director of the nutrition and weight management center at Boston Medical Center, said most people can lose weight but keeping it off is the key. For most, she said, finding something that works “is still trial and error.”
Posted on 12/10/21 at 2:27 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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No time to verify/validate, we have to “help” folks NOW….
Trust “the science”…
You don't even understand what you linked nor do you understand what I'm referring to when I'm saying therapeutics. It's amazing. I knew you wouldn't answer with anything substantive and you didn't. And it appears you didn't even read your link closely, or even follow the hyperlink to the website. Since this followed your standard posting model of link, quotes, and cryptic/retarded message, I will have to guess the subtext. Since there is a replication crisis that obviously must mean you cannot 'trust' the science, and this subtext conveniently allows you to avoid actually reading anything difficult and understanding what might be flawed in the experiments. Furthermore, this actually doesn't reflect all that much on current cancer therapies, because most of the traditional cancer therapies date from earlier eras. So I honestly don't know what you hoped to accomplish other than waste your own time, because this link has nothing to do with what I'm discussing, and really doesn't have very much to do with the thread. You should try again and stay on topic for once.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 2:28 pm to Eurocat
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The problem of weight gain is much more complicated than is being made out by people in this thread.
It is far more complicated but people want an easy answer.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 2:31 pm to Marquesa
quote:What's your blood type?
I think blood type is more of a risk factor.
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