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re: Oh no Vaccine Bros!
Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:22 am to Tigertittie
Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:22 am to Tigertittie
This is John Ionnides being John Ionnides. He low-balled his COVID infection fatality rate estimate at the beginning of the pandemic, predicting no more than 10k deaths and he's continued to be an outlier (which is why you found it in your media feed).
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:47 am to Tigertittie
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Overall 5,400 people needed to be vaccinated to save one life, but in the under-30s this figure rose to 100,000 jabs, the paper suggests.
I been saying this for a while.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:48 am to Wildcat1996
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That said, the vaccines did show clinical benefit in reducing the severity of symptoms and definitely saved lives
False. There is zero evidence to support this claim.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:48 am to Tigertittie
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Because you fools don't want to admit how many you've killed, with heart attacks, strokes, and cancer.
Operation Warp Speed was a glowing success.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:57 am to Tigertittie
ITS NOT A VACCINE
Posted on 7/26/25 at 10:58 am to Wildcat1996
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That said, the vaccines did show clinical benefit in reducing the severity of symptoms and definitely saved lives. The need for some to deny these facts puzzles me.
Because the data showing how much damage the experimental mRNA gene therapy did to people and how many it killed is still being suppressed.
That's why.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 11:02 am to TigerDoc
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He low-balled his COVID infection fatality rate estimate at the beginning of the pandemic, predicting no more than 10k deaths
I mean, you’re being at best uncharitable. And more accurately lying about what he said.
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If we assume that case fatality rate among individuals infected by SARS-CoV-2 is 0.3% in the general population — a mid-range guess from my Diamond Princess analysis — and that 1% of the U.S. population gets infected (about 3.3 million people), this would translate to about 10,000 deaths. This sounds like a huge number, but it is buried within the noise of the estimate of deaths from “influenza-like illness.”
If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average. The media coverage would have been less than for an NBA game between the two most indifferent teams.
Some worry that the 68 deaths from Covid-19 in the U.S. as of March 16 will increase exponentially to 680, 6,800, 68,000, 680,000 … along with similar catastrophic patterns around the globe. Is that a realistic scenario, or bad science fiction? How can we tell at what point such a curve might stop?
And earlier in his same opinion piece.
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Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%). It is also possible that some of the passengers who were infected might die later, and that tourists may have different frequencies of chronic diseases — a risk factor for worse outcomes with SARS-CoV-2 infection — than the general population. Adding these extra sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio in the general U.S. population vary from 0.05% to 1%.
Anyone wishing to read the piece can read it here.
LINK
Posted on 7/26/25 at 11:20 am to the808bass
Yes, technically Ioannidis said “if only 1% of the U.S. gets infected,” we’d see ~10,000 deaths. But that’s like saying “If only one car crashes, traffic deaths won’t be a big deal” all while watching the interstate pile-up already begin.
He consistently framed worst-case scenarios as "bad science fiction" and emphasized the rosiest numbers, even as infections were clearly spreading fast. Sure, he mentioned a range, but presentation matters. He led with the lowest estimates, and cast doubt on anything higher. That shaped public perception and not in a way that helped us prepare.
So no, it's not “lying” to say he lowballed it. It’s calling out a pattern: downplay early, cast shade on serious responses, and then later walk it back behind technical caveats. We've seen that movie before. Some folks are still running reruns.
By the way, liked your post with SFP trying to talk him into politicized prosecutions for political power. Very Machiavellian.
He consistently framed worst-case scenarios as "bad science fiction" and emphasized the rosiest numbers, even as infections were clearly spreading fast. Sure, he mentioned a range, but presentation matters. He led with the lowest estimates, and cast doubt on anything higher. That shaped public perception and not in a way that helped us prepare.
So no, it's not “lying” to say he lowballed it. It’s calling out a pattern: downplay early, cast shade on serious responses, and then later walk it back behind technical caveats. We've seen that movie before. Some folks are still running reruns.
By the way, liked your post with SFP trying to talk him into politicized prosecutions for political power. Very Machiavellian.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 11:30 am to Wildcat1996
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That said, the vaccines did show clinical benefit in reducing the severity of symptoms and definitely saved lives
Ok. You can say this without argument from from me…but for those of us who never took the vaccine may have had the sniffles for a few days says otherwise. Can we agree that the “deadly” virus hit most of us? I never experienced the “winter of death” promised by the potus.
They told us the shot prevented getting the virus - you heard them. That was not true and not debatable.
Get the shot or not…. I don’t care.
My issue was the mandatory shot that the potus tried to implement.
Some of us were a Supreme Court decision away from losing our jobs and that is also a fact.
Think about that for a minute.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 11:34 am to tiggerfan02 2021
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and how many it killed is still being suppressed.
By Trump and RFK?
Posted on 7/26/25 at 11:44 am to MAGA
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That said, the vaccines did show clinical benefit in reducing the severity of symptoms and definitely saved lives
It's only considered a "Vaccine" because they had to change the definition of vaccine.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 11:47 am to MAGA
I get why it didn’t feel like a “winter of death”. It didn't feel like it to me either. I didn't have any personal contacts die. When your own experience is mild and no one close to you got seriously sick, media warnings can feel disconnected and even exaggerated, but the strange thing about mass widespread events is something can be huge in the stats (like 1 in 330 Americans dead) and still feel invisible if it didn’t hit your circle. It blanketed the media and changed all of our routines. That disconnect is the seed material for a lot of "COVID is a hoax" reactions you see.
This post was edited on 7/26/25 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 7/26/25 at 11:49 am to TuDog
quote:Yes - essentially anecdotal as I said - dumbass!
I think
You don't know and will never know.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 12:13 pm to TigerDoc
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So no, it's not “lying” to say he lowballed it.
Your recitation of his “prediction” was bullshite. Just admit it and move on.
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liked your post with SFP trying to talk him into politicized prosecutions for political power. Very Machiavellian
I wasn’t trying to talk him into it. I was simply saying that everything being done was in the boundaries of the law. And that should continue.
I’m not going to feel one ounce of sorrow for people who are getting the same thing they gave to others. Geese and ganders can catch those hands.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 1:14 pm to the808bass
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If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average.
I noticed this pretty soon and mentioned it to one of my valued associates who was 'all in' on COVID lethality - he said that the drop in flu deaths was another indication that the masks were working.
I never mentioned it again.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 1:17 pm to Tigerfan1274
No, by the legal agreements with the pharma companies not to have to release the vaccine injury data and related studies for 75 fricking years.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 1:21 pm to CAD703X
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But did the drug companies make money
I'd like to know if any of the higher ups in the pharmaceutical or health care segments who were championing these vaccines actually took the same shot as the rest of us got.
I took the shot - reluctantly - but I was really sick at the time already with pneumonia-like symptoms and was convinced that I would not be able to stave off even a mild infection.
But I did not recommend it for any of my family.
I have a nephew who has had two bouts with it - and recovered both times. But he said it was no fun.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 1:24 pm to LRB1967
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And to think that so many of us were threatened with the loss of our jobs if we didn't get the jab
Some were more than just threatened.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 1:33 pm to Tigertittie
Getting the job was like strapping a time bomb to your heart
Posted on 7/26/25 at 1:35 pm to tiggerfan02 2021
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No, by the legal agreements with the pharma companies not to have to release the vaccine injury data and related studies for 75 fricking years.
The FDA wanted 75 years to release the data. The FDA is now under RFK. There are no legal binding agreements with pharmaceutical companies to withhold the data. The FDA has all the data.
This post was edited on 7/26/25 at 1:37 pm
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