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Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:15 am to Bunk Moreland
Didn't this guys infractions extend beyond speech to include actions that were possibly illegal?
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:17 am to Pandy Fackler
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I read all that and watched the twatter vid. It's a bit peculiar to me how the we can allow someone to live in the United States as a "permanent US resident" and not grant them the same rights as a US citizen.
Green card holders don't have the same rights as citizens, and the permanent resident status can be revoked. But they DO have a right to be here subject to proof of something more than just speech that the administration doesn't like.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:17 am to Trauma14
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Non citizens are not granted any rights.
They most certainly are. Where do y'all get this tidbit of misinformation?
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:18 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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They most certainly are. Where do y'all get this tidbit of misinformation?
Influencers.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:19 am to Bunk Moreland
I think the point everyone is missing is this is not just about free speech. They took over a building and assaulted people. It would be one thing if they were just hanging around outside in their designated area, holding signs and talking but that is not what they did.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:19 am to Bunk Moreland
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My three favorite journalists (Taibbi, Greenwald, Mate) are skewering MAGA over this.
So, you think foreigners have the right to come here, hate our country, assault our people, destroy our property, and create chaos all in the name of free speech?
That's as insane as believing that every third world miscreant deserves to live in the US or that every kid shat out here by a foreigner deserves citizenship.
This whole "let's shoot ourselves in the foot so we can talk about how virtuous we are" shtick is utterly ridiculous. You people will stand by and watch our country burn while patting yourself on the back for how principled you are.
Giving people who hate you and your country the ability to disrupt your society is fricking retarded. When did conservatives lose their common sense?
Conservatives are mostly against the freedom to do drugs because it is harmful. Yet, drugs only screw over the user. Some conservatives are against letting free citizens hurt themselves, but have no problem with foreigners hurting our people in the name of freedom. There is no consistency or common sense in many of the arguments used by the virtuous conservative crowd.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
Rubio > @Rogertheshrubber
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:21 am to Bunk Moreland
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Conservatives were properly outraged that they were censored,
These MAGA people celebrating arent conservatives. They are old school Democrats larping as Republicans.
They have no love for free speech.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 9:22 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:22 am to Arkaea79
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No. And especially not if they lied on their green card application, and ESPECIALLY not if they are screaming about death to america and global intifada. Terrorists have no "right" to be here.
I'm interested in reading more about that. Can you post a link to anything that says Mahmoud Khalil did those things? I'm sure he did, the Government says so. I would just like to read about it myself, that's all.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:22 am to Bunk Moreland
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First Amendment.
Say stuff, don't break stuff.
With that said really wish the Jewish/Arab problem would stay in the ME. Don't bring that shite here.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:23 am to TBoy
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Green card holders don't have the same rights as citizens, and the permanent resident status can be revoked. But they DO have a right to be here subject to proof of something more than just speech that the administration doesn't like.
I know.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:24 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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Conservatives are mostly against the freedom to do drugs because it is harmful. Yet, drugs only screw over the user.
At first. Then it hurts everyone else.
Sorry for the hijack.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:24 am to tadman
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For example, you protest Israel. Ok you get protection for that. Then you go rough up a Jewish student, or occupy a building that you don't have permisions to be in. YOU ARE NOT PROTECTED from due process for the second act.
Yes, this is clearly not a free speech issue.
The facts on this topic are getting obfuscated. He is continually called a "protester" by the media, when he was obviously much more than that.
We have enough problems in this country with our shitty citizens. We don't need to import troublemakers.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:24 am to Bunk Moreland
This is all disingenuous. The right to free speech is inalienable, but that doesn't matter in this case. Khalil had his green card. revoked because he was inciting violence which has never been protected speech.
It is one thing to say "Biden's policy on Israel and Palestine is bad." It is quite another to say "Biden's Policy on Israel and Palestine is bad, and we mist fight the zionists until they are driven from our lands and destroyed."
It is one thing to say "Biden's policy on Israel and Palestine is bad." It is quite another to say "Biden's Policy on Israel and Palestine is bad, and we mist fight the zionists until they are driven from our lands and destroyed."
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:25 am to jbdawgs03
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Rubio > @Rogertheshrubber
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:25 am to Bunk Moreland
Conservatives don't care about free speech unless that speech already aligns with their views.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
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These MAGA people celebrating arent conservatives. They are old school Democrats larping as Republicans.
They have no love for free speech.
Is hamas NOT a terrorist org? Last I checked, they are. If you are chanting pro-hamas things in America you can and should be removed. That's not "larping" it's called not being a moron.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:27 am to jbdawgs03
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Rubio > @Rogertheshrubber
I love these idiots on here who think they know everything yet they’re constantly wrong on here and not in govt or high positions, if they’re so good. Roger is a dipshit.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:33 am to tadman
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So fricking tired of the idiocy on this issue.
1. You are entitled to first amendment protection for your speech, from the government.
2. You are not umbrella shielded for all other problems you cause as a result of that.
For example, you protest Israel. Ok you get protection for that. Then you go rough up a Jewish student, or occupy a building that you don't have permisions to be in. YOU ARE NOT PROTECTED from due process for the second act.
If you are on a green card or other non-citizen status, there is a good chance they can boot you for #2, so it's important to keep your act clean.
Can you post a link (any link, be it reputable, disreputable, obscure, left or right) that says Mahmoud Khalil did any of those things? I'd like to read more about it.
To my knowledge he has not been accused of one single criminal act and no criminal charges have been filed against him by any Jewish student or the University itself.
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