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Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:42 am to CamdenTiger
Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:42 am to CamdenTiger
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definitely heard him say he was declassifying everything,
Yes, in regards to Crossfire Hurricane. The documents they are accusing him of are not CH docs.
If you believe he actually had some and I am dubious of anything the DOJ says.
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:43 am to Fun Bunch
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It doesn’t make this all less stupid though. None of this should be happening.
You are legit retarded if you think that this (or something similar) wasn’t going to happen. If it makes you feel better about this persecution to blame Trump, have at it. But kind of like the 2020 election, the outcome was predetermined. Trump was going to be set up, somehow…some way.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:44 am to jimmy the leg
That’s one way to interpret what I said 
Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:45 am to Fun Bunch
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And the President cannot simply declassify ANY document he wants. There are some that require Congressional approval and process to do so
Can you help me find this congressional approval and process? I have never read it.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:49 am to GumboPot
There’s many different ones. The Atomic Energy Act contains some for Nuclear related material, is my understanding.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 8:50 am
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:03 am to mmcgrath
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Too bad Trump never said anything when he was President then.
And if he said it between 1/6 and 1/20 2021, it didn’t count
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:05 am to GumboPot
Do people really believe that Trump stole top secret nuclear documents with the intention of giving them to our enemies? Bc that is what people are insinuating and it’s preposterous.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:06 am to chalmetteowl
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And if he said it between 1/6 and 1/20 2021, it didn’t count
I can’t imagine being a person of such low moral character, that, knowing the breadth of Agency involvement, I’d still support that narrative. Damned sad display man.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 9:06 am
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:06 am to jamiegla1
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Do people really believe that Trump stole top secret nuclear documents with the intention of giving them to our enemies?
Yes, they are that stupid.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:12 am to Fun Bunch
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Art 1 Sec 8 gives congress authority over National Defense matters
I’m not positive that means powers over certain documents. Do you have a case that states that. Article 1 Section 8 gives lots of powers. I assume you are referring to:
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Not sure how that means they have power over what documents the president can or cannot declassify. Do you have some case law? Or are you referring to a different part of the section?
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:13 am to chalmetteowl
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And if he said it between 1/6 and 1/20 2021, it didn’t count
Said what?
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:17 am to BBONDS25
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And if he said it between 1/6 and 1/20 2021, it didn’t count Said what?
Honestly, pretty much anything. For those two weeks, I don’t think we really had a president
Posted on 6/11/23 at 10:04 am to Leto II
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So you trust Jack at face value?
More than I trust Donald Trump
Burden of proof is irrelevant to prog scum authoritarians.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 10:19 am to jamiegla1
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Do people really believe that Trump stole top secret nuclear documents with the intention of giving them to our enemies? Bc that is what people are insinuating and it’s preposterous.
I don't. I think Trump was careless, wasn't paying attention to detail, and of course thought he was above the law anyway. Now his attorneys are stuck trying to sort this all out.
I'm mo expert on confidential documents, but Alan dershowitz says the claim that Trump showed confidential records to a journalist has completely changed the seriousness of this issue. Forbes article
Say what you want about Dershowitz. He is not a Trump supporter. But he has defended Trump's legal position in most of these cases, and wrote the book, Get Tump. His position on the documents case was it was really weak until he read the indictment.
Should we believe the DOJ's allegations in the indictment? Not really; the DOJ has the burden of proving everything beyond reasonable doubt, and it may not be able to. However, the DOJ has an ethical obligation to believe it can prove every statement in the indictment. If it does not have a evidence supporting a good faith belief in the statements, then Jack Smith will be in serious trouble; he will lose his position as Special Prosecutor and possibly face disciplinary action. It is hard to imagine him moving forward with falsified allegations.
I don't see how everyone thinks the PRA
PRA is somehow good for Trump in this case. The PRA defines the difference between Presidential and personal records. Personal records are diaries, journals, personal correspondence, etc. that is not created in furtherance of Presidential duties. An outgoing President is required to designate personal records from Presidential records at the end of his term. Documents not identified as personal remain Presidential, and become owned by the United States, and are stored by the NARA. Presidential records are not stored in the former POTUS's home.
Trump's first mistake was taking Presidential records home to MAL. This is how NARA got involved in requesting documents. He could still identify some as personal, but documents marked "Confidential" could not possibly be personal.
Now, I don't know about the President's power to declassify documents, but that ability ended on Jan 20th, 2021.
The claims that he can just mentally declassify things doesn't really hold water, or at least requires some new legislation to quash that line of thinking.
Trump supporters are basically suggesting that a bitter outgoing President can just declassify a bunch of serious National Defense documents with no checks or balance. If a President did that earlier in his term, he would likely be impeached and removed from office. But Mitch McConnel now says you cannot impeach a President after his term has ended, so we are left just counting on a lame duck President to just respect National Security?
Seems a little tenuous.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 10:23 am to BBONDS25
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
Posted on 6/11/23 at 10:51 am to cubsfan5150
Ya'll argue of the dumbest bullshite.
The media has you exactly where they want you.
Sad to watch.
The media has you exactly where they want you.
Sad to watch.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 10:57 am to Leto II
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More than I trust Donald Trump
Btw what did Jared and Ivanka get that $2 billion for from the Saudis?
I sure am glad to see you concerned about any possible "payola" to the President's family. Now let's talk about the KNOWN payola to the Biden family which has been proven to have happened via the various bank records.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 11:40 am to Fun Bunch
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And the President cannot simply declassify ANY document he wants. There are some that require Congressional approval and process to do so
Completely, 100% wrong. The sole authority to classify or declassify is in the executive branch.
A slight caveat would be IF a president were classifying something solely to hide a crime. Then the courts can get involved at the behest of the legislative branch.
Congress only has power to classify documents in as much as the executive branch empowers them to.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 11:47 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Completely, 100% wrong. The sole authority to classify or declassify is in the executive branch.
Not true.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:12 pm to McLemore
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Vladimir
And there it is. Muh. Russians.
The progs cling to Russia, Russia, Russia like a life preserver.
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