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Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:32 pm to Cuz413
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The War for Southern Independence was not fought to free the slaves.
The literal traitors to our country were motived by vile, disgusting, and abhorrent reasons. Anyone who in any way supports the absolute failure that was the Confederacy should be ashamed of themselves.
Lest you have any doubt, this is from Cornerstone Speech LINK by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens on March 21, 1861:
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But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.
In the conflict thus far, success has been on our side, complete throughout the length and breadth of the Confederate States. It is upon this, as I have stated, our social fabric is firmly planted; and I cannot permit myself to doubt the ultimate success of a full recognition of this principle throughout the civilized and enlightened world.
As I have stated, the truth of this principle may be slow in development, as all truths are and ever have been, in the various branches of science. It was so with the principles announced by Galileo it was so with Adam Smith and his principles of political economy. It was so with Harvey, and his theory of the circulation of the blood. It is stated that not a single one of the medical profession, living at the time of the announcement of the truths made by him, admitted them. Now, they are universally acknowledged. May we not, therefore, look with confidence to the ultimate universal acknowledgment of the truths upon which our system rests? It is the first government ever instituted upon the principles in strict conformity to nature, and the ordination of Providence, in furnishing the materials of human society. Many governments have been founded upon the principle of the subordination and serfdom of certain classes of the same race; such were and are in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature's laws. With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. The architect, in the construction of buildings, lays the foundation with the proper material-the granite; then comes the brick or the marble. The substratum of our society is made of the material fitted by nature for it, and by experience we know that it is best, not only for the superior, but for the inferior race, that it should be so. It is, indeed, in conformity with the ordinance of the Creator. It is not for us to inquire into the wisdom of His ordinances, or to question them. For His own purposes, He has made one race to differ from another, as He has made "one star to differ from another star in glory." The great objects of humanity are best attained when there is conformity to His laws and decrees, in the formation of governments as well as in all things else. Our confederacy is founded upon principles in strict conformity with these laws. This stone which was rejected by the first builders "is become the chief of the corner" the real "corner-stone" in our new edifice. I have been asked, what of the future? It has been apprehended by some that we would have arrayed against us the civilized world. I care not who or how many they may be against us, when we stand upon the eternal principles of truth, if we are true to ourselves and the principles for which we contend, we are obliged to, and must triumph.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:52 pm to fairweatherfans
I’d be happy with
24 years in the senate or house and an age limit of 75
24 years in the senate or house and an age limit of 75
Posted on 11/23/25 at 1:39 pm to fairweatherfans
It's a shame we can't tar and feather these assholes anymore without being sent to Super Max.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 1:43 pm to fairweatherfans
Well, that sounds like a great plan that we can ALL get with.
Like you said tho, this will never happen.
Wish items like this would be put up for a National vote.
Like you said tho, this will never happen.
Wish items like this would be put up for a National vote.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 3:51 pm to retired_tiger
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The literal traitors to our country
So tell me how it was traitorous for States (really the people of the States) decided in convention to leave the "union" of States. The USA never was intended to be a conglomerate of landmass to be ruled by people in Washington DC as a single Nation. The States were viewed as there own sovereign Statehood and joined together for a variety of reasons.
Tell me how it was traitorous for States to leave the Union defined by the Constitution, but not traitorous for them to leave the Articles of Confederation which was defined as a confederation into perpetuity. Yet one by one they left and no one declared them traitors.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 3:52 pm to Harry Boutte
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You're right, it was fought to keep the slaves.
And the Federal Government propaganda worked as demonstrated by you and Retired Tiger
Posted on 11/23/25 at 4:53 pm to Cuz413
I'm glad that you want to further your understanding and education, and I wish you well in that endeavor.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:10 pm to fairweatherfans
We need to have a convention of the states and bypass Washington altogether.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:39 pm to Masterag
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We need to have a convention of the states and bypass Washington altogether.
What powers would this convention have? How would delegates be chosen? Apportionment by state?
Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:43 pm to KiwiHead
How sbout you go frick yourself
Posted on 11/23/25 at 6:35 pm to retired_tiger
So you're ignorant of the origins of this United States, but definitely know that Southerners that invoked their right to self determination was a traitorous act to those poor Northerners. How ever would they survive without those people they so hated in places they had never been to.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 7:06 pm to fairweatherfans
Campaign finance reform would do a lot to remedy things. Reasonable term limits are worth considering…
Posted on 11/23/25 at 7:07 pm to fairweatherfans
They’ve been ping ponging the population for decades.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 8:00 pm to Cuz413
I'm quite familiar with our origins, I'm a descendant of one of the Signers and that era has been a topic of discussion in our family throughout my life.
You appear committed to your misconceptions and so I would rather not bother with this further. Have a nice evening.
You appear committed to your misconceptions and so I would rather not bother with this further. Have a nice evening.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 8:07 pm to KiwiHead
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get the nurse
Or if you're in NZ, your hag Prime Minister will volunteer to do it, forcibly.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:21 pm to fairweatherfans
Senators ARE congressmen. Do you mean representatives? Get your shite straight before posting. I agree on term limits, but your choices of words are retarded. Remedial English and Civics would hopefully help you a lot. That’s all we need is people like you fricking up what we need because you are semi-literate.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 6:11 am to retired_tiger
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I'm quite familiar with our origins, I'm a descendant of one of the Signers and that era has been a topic of discussion in our family throughout my life.
You appear committed to your misconceptions and so I would rather not bother with this further. Have a nice evening.
You appear committed to dodging.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 6:46 am to p0845330
As Reagan said : "there you go again" when you don't have any substantive comments it's about my grammar or spelling.
I was encouraged to see that by an 88 up votes to 2 down votes margin my topic got a positive response;when some poster said get my nurse to clean me up and change my depends well, he?,was down voted 135 to 5.
Regardless I don't understand the general level of negativity,contemp,and hatred Both parties have for each other.For me it ain't about what party lies the most,or what party actions are most gregious it's about ending the division in America.
I was encouraged to see that by an 88 up votes to 2 down votes margin my topic got a positive response;when some poster said get my nurse to clean me up and change my depends well, he?,was down voted 135 to 5.
Regardless I don't understand the general level of negativity,contemp,and hatred Both parties have for each other.For me it ain't about what party lies the most,or what party actions are most gregious it's about ending the division in America.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:40 am to Cuz413
It is unfortunate that you are unable to distinguish between (a) the creation of a more perfect Union following a national constitutional convention, and then individual constitutional conventions by all of the original 13 states who entered into the Articles of Confederation, with all of them ratifying the Constitution; and (b) 11 states violently breaking away from the nation because of an abhorrent belief in slavery and white supremacy, via the literal definition of treason, levying war against the United States, as provided in Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution.
But you are asking questions and that is a start. For further online learning, may I suggest the Library of Congress Classroom Materials on the Constitution, the Constitutional Center Classroom Resources, and History.com on the Constitution.
You and your family would especially enjoy visits to Colonial Williamsburg and National Museum of American History. Both are truly wonderful experiences.
But you are asking questions and that is a start. For further online learning, may I suggest the Library of Congress Classroom Materials on the Constitution, the Constitutional Center Classroom Resources, and History.com on the Constitution.
You and your family would especially enjoy visits to Colonial Williamsburg and National Museum of American History. Both are truly wonderful experiences.
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