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re: Principled Massie had nothing to say about the Clintons skipping their Epstein hearing?
Posted on 1/14/26 at 4:03 pm to dafif
Posted on 1/14/26 at 4:03 pm to dafif
quote:
Better than being a sycophant , but I digress
You have been asked multiple times "what is the penalty for non compliance"
I'm not a sycophant to any living person. I have criticized Massie when warranted. In particular, I think he has hurt his credibility by not naming "the twenty." He should do that tomorrow and demand that DOJ produce their investigative files explaining the reasons for not recommending prosecution of "the twenty."
As for non compliance sanctions, sorry I missed those questions. My guess is that it takes more of a process to enact an actual criminal law under 18 USC.
As a practical matter, other than non-compliance serving as possible grounds for impeachment, a criminal contempt of court order could arise if a court orders compliance under the law and an official refuses.
This post was edited on 1/15/26 at 8:39 am
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Posted on 1/14/26 at 4:12 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Under what authority could court order compliance if there is no penalty for noncompliance
As a practical matter there is a specific law in Florida that has no penalty for noncompliance and I have dealt with that and no court can order compliance because the law doesn't allow it
As an additional statement, I did not call you a sycophant I just said it was better for BBonds
As a practical matter there is a specific law in Florida that has no penalty for noncompliance and I have dealt with that and no court can order compliance because the law doesn't allow it
As an additional statement, I did not call you a sycophant I just said it was better for BBonds
This post was edited on 1/14/26 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 1/14/26 at 4:19 pm to dafif
quote:
As an additional statement, I did not call you a sycophant I just said it was better for BBonds
Thx for the clarification. I apologize for being prickly.
Criminal contempt would work this way. Sorry, too busy to provide anything other than ChatGPT:
Bottom Line
The Epstein Transparency Act itself does not create criminal penalties, but a court order enforcing the Act can lead to criminal contempt if DOJ officials willfully disobey it.
In practice, civil contempt and judicial supervision are far more likely than actual jail time, but criminal contempt is legally possible for deliberate defiance of a court order.
Here’s a clear, step-by-step breakdown of how criminal contempt could theoretically work under the Epstein Transparency Act. I’ll distinguish it from civil contempt, because the two are often confused:
1?? Understanding Criminal Contempt vs. Civil Contempt
Feature
Civil Contempt
Criminal Contempt
Purpose
Force compliance (coercive)
Punish disobedience (punitive)
Typical Penalty
Fines, jail until compliance
Fixed fines, fixed jail time
Who Can Be Held
Agency, official, or person
Individual officials (rarely agencies)
When Used
Ongoing violation of a court order
Willful disobedience or defiance of a court order, past act
Civil contempt is used most often in transparency cases: DOJ might be fined or supervised until it releases the Epstein documents.
Criminal contempt is punitive — it punishes an official for willfully violating a court order enforcing the Act.
2?? Steps for Criminal Contempt in an Epstein Transparency Act Case
Step 1: DOJ Fails to Comply
Congress or a public interest group sues under the Act for noncompliance.
Court issues an order compelling DOJ to release documents by a certain date.
Step 2: Willful Disobedience
If DOJ officials knowingly refuse to comply, or deliberately misrepresent progress, a judge may consider the violation willful.
Criminal contempt requires proof of intentional defiance, not just delays or bureaucratic slowdowns.
Step 3: Court Initiates Criminal Contempt Proceedings
Judge may summon the responsible official(s) to appear in court.
Prosecutor or the court itself presents evidence of failure to comply with the order.
Step 4: Trial / Hearing
The alleged contemnor has the right to legal representation and can argue:
Delays were reasonable
Redactions were required by law (privacy, victim protection, ongoing investigations)
Compliance is impossible within deadlines
Step 5: Penalty
If convicted of criminal contempt, penalties can include:
Fines (statutory or set by the judge)
Fixed jail time (often short, e.g., days to months)
Public record of conviction, which carries political and professional consequences
Important: Criminal contempt targets individuals, not agencies, so DOJ as a whole cannot be “jailed” — only the official(s) responsible for compliance decisions.
3?? Why Criminal Contempt Is Rare
DOJ is a federal agency, and judges generally prefer civil remedies first:
Supervisory orders
Daily fines
Appointment of a special master to review documents
Criminal contempt is used only for egregious, willful, and defiant violations, not ordinary delays or bureaucratic slowdowns.
4?? Key Safeguards
Officials cannot be jailed arbitrarily; criminal contempt requires:
A clear, definite court order
Willful violation by an individual
Proof beyond a reasonable doubt
This protects against punishing mere bureaucratic slowness or administrative errors.
This post was edited on 1/14/26 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 1/14/26 at 10:29 pm to IvoryBillMatt
So what gives the court the authority to punish behavior that Congress specifically chose not to?
The court cannot just order compliance and then create its own punishment
If there are no rules violations which is what contempt is based on then the court cannot just create its own punishment when none exists
The court cannot just order compliance and then create its own punishment
If there are no rules violations which is what contempt is based on then the court cannot just create its own punishment when none exists
Posted on 1/14/26 at 10:32 pm to blueboy
quote:
Why does he have to have a press conference about it?
Why did he have a press conference about his worthless bill then?
Wouldnt this be even more important to make a stand
But solid excuse
Posted on 1/15/26 at 7:15 am to SDVTiger
quote:So, in your floating goal post world, he has to have a press conference every time he has a thought, or else he's disingenuous or something?
Why did he have a press conference about his worthless bill then?
No, that's retarded.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 7:28 am to frogtown
quote:They are all 3 whiny, friggin bitches.
Ideologically, what does Massie and Liz Cheney/Adam Kinzinger actually agree on?
Posted on 1/15/26 at 7:50 am to dafif
quote:
The court cannot just order compliance and then create its own punishment
Sure it can...the boiler plate language for this is in Ex Parte Robinson (U.S. 1874):
“The power to punish for contempts is inherent in all courts; its existence is essential to the preservation of order in judicial proceedings, and to the enforcement of the judgments, orders, and writs of the courts, and consequently to the due administration of justice.”
Of course, such an order would be subject to review based on due process and excessive punishment (and probably other) grounds.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 7:55 am to blueboy
quote:
So, in your floating goal post world, he has to have a press conference every time he has a thought, or else he's disingenuous or something?
The excuses you have to make for this loser are incredible
Yes he 100% should be screaming as loud as he was about his worthless bill
Otherwise we know he doesnt give a shite. Like MTG hes just another dem plant
But the scorecard!!
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:01 am to blueboy
quote:
So, in your floating goal post world, he has to have a press conference every time he has a thought, or else he's disingenuous or something?
He likes to be noticed and x Is easy to use, so his silence makes him look pathetic
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:18 am to SDVTiger
So you're just a clown doing mental gymnastics. Got it.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:18 am to djsdawg
quote:But he hasn't been silent.
his silence makes him look pathetic
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:35 am to blueboy
No that seems to be what you anf Masshole are doing
Which isnt shocking. Im surprised you two havent blamed the joos for the no show
Which isnt shocking. Im surprised you two havent blamed the joos for the no show
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:38 am to stout
Massie has done some good things in his time but his Stage Five TDS makes him unbearable for me. I’ve stopped following him and Rand on social media
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:39 am to prouddawg
quote:
I’ve stopped following him and Rand on social media
The two most conservative men in Washington? Interesting.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:44 am to SDVTiger
Tards: Massie didn't say anything about Clintons!
Me: Yes he did. Here's the proof.
King Tard: Why didn't he do a press conference?
Me: Why would he have to do a press conference every time he says something?
King Tard: PRESS CONFERENCE!! MASSHOLE!! MUH JOOS!
I still question whether or not you're actually a human being. You give off some serious bot vibes.
Me: Yes he did. Here's the proof.
King Tard: Why didn't he do a press conference?
Me: Why would he have to do a press conference every time he says something?
King Tard: PRESS CONFERENCE!! MASSHOLE!! MUH JOOS!
I still question whether or not you're actually a human being. You give off some serious bot vibes.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 9:05 am to blueboy
The excuses continue
Shocking you leftards all band together
Shocking you leftards all band together
Posted on 1/15/26 at 9:08 am to blueboy
quote:
So you're just a clown
You should have stopped right there.
Slow Dumb Vagina Tiger isn't capable of doing mental gymnastics.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 9:08 am to blueboy
quote:
I still question whether or not you're actually a human being.
Now you're onto something.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 9:42 am to stout
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