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re: Rapture Ready
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:54 am to BCreed1
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:54 am to BCreed1
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Vox, not following you here. Are you saying that the "rapture" is used to divide the church because some believe Pre Trib, others mid trib, Post Trib?
Perfectly reasonable question ?
Why do idiots down vote questions that seek clarification or information. Is it a meth/trailer thing ? Or a "I quit school in the 9th grade thing" ?
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:02 am to HeadLightBanDit
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People that mix politics and religion scare the shite out of me.
Oh you mean like how they mix equality economics and politics, aka godless socialism/communism. They really scare me. They have murdered 100 million people in the last 150 years alone. Far, far more than "Religion".
Communism/Marxism IS THE religion of the nutjob left.
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But Christian Conservatives believe they are acting in the name of God.
Bawhahaha. And the left believes they are acting in the name of "Social Justice" Killing millions- See the French, Russian, and Chinese communist revs of the last 200 years. Gotta keep those scales level with blood.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:19 am to Penrod
Yes it really is, you just might not believe it
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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it would mean that something I consider too large to be left out of the Bible was left out of the Bible.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:31 am to aTmTexas Dillo
I Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep (die), but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
2 Thessalonians 2
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
I can't say when, but in some form or fashion, living people will be miraculously, instantaneously, transformed into immortal beings. Many believe the "restrainer" (prevents the Anti-Christ from being publicly revealed) is the Holy Spirit, so it is believed that the Holy Spirit would not be removed from Christians, hence the rapture occuring before the revealing of the Anti-Christ.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep (die), but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
2 Thessalonians 2
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
I can't say when, but in some form or fashion, living people will be miraculously, instantaneously, transformed into immortal beings. Many believe the "restrainer" (prevents the Anti-Christ from being publicly revealed) is the Holy Spirit, so it is believed that the Holy Spirit would not be removed from Christians, hence the rapture occuring before the revealing of the Anti-Christ.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 12:02 pm to mudshuvl05
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No.
Christ will return once. It is describing that singular arrival. He's not giving imjustafatkid and the Southwest Shreveport Baptist Church special treatment over the rest of humanity.
Your rapture was made up by a man in the 1830s after a woman named Margaret MacDonald had a vision, and developed it into a detailed theological system called rapture theory (under the umbrella of the larger system named dispensationalism). That's right: Your beloved rapture's precursor was a woman who had a vision. You know who else had visions? Jim Jones and Kenneth Copeland.
Again, if you walked up to Paul in 63 AD and started talking to him about the rapture, he'd look at like your head was sown to your shoulder. He'd definitely be sending your church who instilled that apostasy into your theology a letter starting with, "Greetings, from Paul."
You realize all of the above is not up for debate, right? Just like the canonical Bible didn't fall from the sky outside of history, neither did rapture theory. It's a very bad theology made up by a man less than 200 years ago after a young girl had a vision. It will cause people to lose their faith altogether once they realize they're not getting preferential treatment, therefore it is apostasy, as it will result in making apostates.
Nope, it's all Biblical. Sorry you're wrong.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 12:08 pm to mudshuvl05
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No.
Debatable
Posted on 11/25/25 at 12:51 pm to BCreed1
What makes you think you are rapture ready?
There will remain a lot of pew sitters with their pastors looking around wondering “what in the hell just happened?”
There will remain a lot of pew sitters with their pastors looking around wondering “what in the hell just happened?”
Posted on 11/25/25 at 1:01 pm to TexasForever81
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And somehow you think it’s important that Egyptians said it before? Does it make him quoting Christ in that instance any less ironic?
I just raised the point due to someone possibly trying to pass off “Jesus” or the gospel author as inventing a profound philosophical idea as the golden rule. I thought it needed some added context that the golden rule was in use 2000 years before Jesus and that Jesus didn’t invent it (if he even really existed as a historical person).
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Cool gotcha moment……. I guess? Did you slap your knee and say got eem as you typed that?
Take it any way you want. I’m just adding context where it was needed so that more people can better understand their own reality.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 1:18 pm to Squirrelmeister
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I just raised the point
Thanks TD Wikipedia. Your input is invaluable.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 1:19 pm to BCreed1
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6 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Didn't Jesus say that he wasn't returning until after the Tribulation/Anti Christ.
Is the the present democrat party the Anti Christ?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 3:20 pm to ole man
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Yes it really is, you just might not believe it
Okay, good luck.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 4:04 pm to imjustafatkid
Jesus isn't coming back a second time twice. a "rapture" supposes two returns. The Almighty is indeed returning, just not twice. was never called a "rapture" until some hillbilly prot decided they needed something else to spin to folks.
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 11/25/25 at 4:57 pm to TexasForever81
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John 8:58 John 10:30 John 14:9 John 20:28 Revelation 22:13
None of those state Jesus is uncreated or equal to the father or consubstantial to the father. They allege Jesus is Yahweh and that he is divine, and the son of God.
Clement of Rome quotes Deut 32:8-9
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Let us then draw near to Him with holiness of spirit, lifting up pure and undefiled hands unto Him, loving our gracious and merciful Father, who has made us partakers in the blessings of His elect. For thus it is written, When the Most High divided the nations, when He scattered the sons of Adam, He fixed the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God. His people Jacob became the portion of the Lord, and Israel the lot of His inheritance.
The demon possessed man called Jesus “son of the Most High God.” That’s no a coincidence.
The early Christians believed in the Most High God, and his divine and powerful son Yahweh who later Jews called the Logos and even Jesus who would inherit all nations eventually. Psalm 82. Hebrews 1:2-3, 2:8.
Jesus wanted his followers to be one with him just as he is one with the father. If you want to argue Jesus is God because he is one with the father, then any believer is part of the holy trinity. Are you making that argument? All believers are supposed to be sons of the most high God and brothers of Jesus… maybe even divine… but part of the one true God?
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You don’t have a good understanding of anything
I think I have a better understanding of biblical origins and the early church than anyone else on this site. That isn’t saying much though.
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Good teacher is what Jesus rebuked.
I’m surprised you used that one. Jesus said “why do you call me good? There is none good but God.” Seems like that would hurt your argument.
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First born of creation. Look up the Greek
Prototokos. It only means “preeminent” because the first created was the preeminent of the sons. This isn’t hard to understand. God created the Logos in his image, and through the Logos everything else was made. That was the same theology of Hellenistic Jews like Philo of Alexandria, who would have been a Christian had he lived a couple decades later when the stories of the Logos becoming a man were invented. If you read about Philo’s Logos, you’d swear you were reading Paul’s beliefs.
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Made low because he left a throne to walk with his creation
Made low so that he would be unrecognized so the archons of this age would kill him during his descent from heaven. 1 Cor 2.
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There were two men named Lazarus the Bible. Etc etc. your same tired attempted gotchas every time.
Sure bud, 2 Lazaruses. One in a parable about how seeing a resurrected person wouldn’t convince someone to believe. One in a “real” story about how seeing a resurrected person wouldn’t convince someone to believe. Yeah
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Have a happy thanksgiving.
Happy Turkey Day to you too!
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:07 pm to Prodigal Son
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Thanks for clearing that up.
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Did you see my earlier post (in this thread, page 11) about how Islam is taking over? I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on that.
Not sure if I did but I can tell you Islam taking over isn’t good. Their religion is like Christianity from 500 years ago. They would kill all of us if they could.
I do think as their standard of living improves over time and their science education improves (both things are kind of hand in hand) that they will become less and less religious and eventually “lose their faith” as is happening in Europe and North America. And that will be a good thing.
Will it change human nature so that we won’t be fighting over natural resources? No.
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ETA: what I thought I’d covered was the imminent versus non-imminent aspect of the rapture. Not the resurrection, body aspect.
One thing I can’t understand is that Paul’s letters, specifically 1 Thes 4, is proof that the earliest Christians believed the end of the world and the general resurrection would happen “very soon” and even in their own lifetimes. Jesus tells his followers the same thing in the gospels. They were living in the “last days” and “last hours”.
It’s been 2000 years! Knowing what you know, why would you still believe in it if you weren’t kind of brainwashing your own self into believing it just because it’s what you want to believe?
The only thing I want to believe is what is real, historical, verifiable, and factual. Sometimes the truth sucks, but it is what it is.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:44 pm to BCreed1
I'm not religious, but I'm glad that I'll most likely be dead before it gets horribly worse than it already is. That having been said, I would much rather live in a Christian society than a Muslim, Jewish, or even an atheist/agnostic one.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:38 pm to KCT
You mean the church that Christ founded? Noted.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:29 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Their religion is like Christianity from 500 years ago.
Yes and no. Islam is a works based religion- the opposite of Christianity. The only problem with Christianity is that most of its adherents don’t actually follow Christ’s teachings. The biggest problem with Islam, is that they do follow the teachings of Muhammad.If Christians were as good at being Christians as Muslims are at being Muslims, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
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I do think as their standard of living improves over time and their science education improves (both things are kind of hand in hand) that they will become less and less religious and eventually “lose their faith”
I strongly disagree. They are indoctrinated from birth, and that indoctrination is protected by their highly controlled societies. They don’t assimilate. Everywhere they go, they out-breed and subjugate the natives. They are the same today as they were 1400 years ago. They’re also the dumbest people on earth- largely due to inbreeding, which they have been doing for 1400 years, and still do. Because MUH-hammad did. If you’re counting on them changing, I suggest you do a brief study of their history.
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“lose their faith” as is happening in Europe and North America.
Is that what you think is and has been happening? I see the total opposite. They’re destroying Europe and now America. Take a trip to Dearbornistan. Heck, just go to Texas. 48 mosques have been built in Texas in just the last two years. They are a cancer. An extremely dumb, but highly motivated cancer. They’re not interested in science, education, or improved (by our standards) standards of living.
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the earliest Christians believed the end of the world and the general resurrection would happen “very soon” and even in their own lifetimes.
Paul’s letters came 20 years after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus. I’m pretty sure that by the time the NT was being written, the writers understood what Jesus was saying all along: BE ready. 2 Peter chapter 3 (among many others) makes this abundantly clear.
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Jesus tells his followers the same thing in the gospels. They were living in the “last days” and “last hours”. It’s been 2000 years!
2 Peter 3:3-4
knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”
Sound familiar?
This was likely written 30 years after the resurrection. Last days? 2 Peter 3:7-9
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
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Knowing what you know, why would you still believe in it
I can’t see it any other way. I’ve tried. He always calls me home. I find that the arguments for God support what I know in my heart. Cosmological arguments, moral arguments, contingency arguments, teleological arguments, pragmatic arguments, the argument from beauty, the argument from desire- you get the point. These deep philosophical questions are best answered by the existence of God. From there, the historicity of the Bible, the fulfillment of prophecy, miracles, etc, all point to the Christian God being the best candidate. That, and materialism is ridiculous.
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brainwashing your own self into believing it just because it’s what you want to believe
It’s funny that you don’t/can’t see the irony of that statement. We both have faith. I place mine in Jesus Christ, and you place yours in yourself.
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The only thing I want to believe is what is real, historical, verifiable, and factual
That’s not entirely, necessarily true. You want to believe in abiogenesis, for example. Or at least some explanation currently unknown to man that absolves humanity of the need for divine creation- once and for all. You have faith that science will solve this problem. You also want to believe that the Christian God doesn’t exist. That’s not a factual, or verifiable claim- it’s a desire that informs your bias.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:52 pm to dickkellog
Like the catholic apocrypha?
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:59 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Matthew 24:40-41: "Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left".
Others have references Thessalonians and Corinthians.
Others have references Thessalonians and Corinthians.
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