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Posted on 4/22/22 at 3:20 pm to Terrific Tales
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Stop talking about a topic you know nothing about
And you don’t fricking decide if someone is worthless
Posted on 4/22/22 at 3:31 pm to ShoeBang
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Sorry your brother can’t handle pot, but the rest of us don’t need to suffer for his inadequacies.
Ironical. Essentially, that's what those of us against legalization have been saying. We have enough shite out there for society to deal with. Why pile a bunch of "legal" drug users on top?
Posted on 4/22/22 at 3:33 pm to sabes que
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The party of freedom strikes again. All for personal freedom, unless it’s something they don’t like.
Well said. The only people truly for liberty and personal choice are hard core libertarians.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 3:37 pm to Cole Beer
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Well said. The only people truly for liberty and personal choice are hard core libertarians.
Well said yourself. Only libertarians find it important enough to legalize weed, that they would have the taxpayer paying reparations for the war on drugs. Why don't you find your nearest drughouse, and hand them your wallet?
Posted on 4/22/22 at 3:37 pm to sabes que
From the CDC...
Fast Facts
Marijuana is the most commonly used federally illegal drug in the United States; 48.2 million people, or about 18% of Americans, used it at least once in 2019.(1)
Recent research estimated that approximately 3 in 10 (30%) people who use marijuana have marijuana use disorder.(2) For people who begin using marijuana before age 18, the risk of developing marijuana use disorder is even greater.(3) That's compared to 6% of drinkers who have a problem with alcohol (9)
Marijuana use directly affects the brain, specifically the parts of the brain responsible for memory, learning, attention, decision-making, coordination, emotion, and reaction time. Infants, children, and teens (who still have developing brains) are especially susceptible to the adverse effects of marijuana.(4,5)
Long-term or frequent marijuana use has been linked to increased risk of psychosis or schizophrenia in some users.(6,7)
Using marijuana during pregnancy may increase the person’s risk for pregnancy complications. Pregnant and breastfeeding persons should avoid marijuana.(8)
Reference
1.Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, “Key substance use and mental health indicators in the United States: Results from the 2019 National Survey on Drug Use and Health,” Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, Rockville, MD, 2020.
2.S. Hasin et al., “Prevalence of Marijuana Use Disorders in the United States Between 2001–2002 and 2012–2013,” JAMA Psychiatry, vol. 72, no. 12, pp. 1235–1242, 2015.
3.Lopez-Quintero et al., “Probability and predictors of transition from first use to dependence on nicotine, alcohol, cannabis, and cocaine: results of the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions (NESARC),” Drug Alcohol Depend, vol. 115, no. 1–2, pp. 120–130, 2011.
4.M. Filbey et al., “Long-term effects of marijuana use on the brain,” in Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A, vol. 111, Center for BrainHealth, University of Texas, Dallas, TX 75235 The Mind Research Network, Albuquerque, NM 87106 and, 2014, pp. 16913–16918.
5.H. Meier et al., “Persistent cannabis users show neuropsychological decline from childhood to midlife,” Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A, vol. 109, no. 40, pp. E2657-64, 2012.
6.Di Forti et al., “Proportion of patients in south London with first-episode psychosis attributable to use of high potency cannabis: a case-control study,” Lancet Psychiatry, vol. 2, no. 3, pp. 233–238, 2015.
7.Di Forti et al., “High-potency cannabis and the risk of psychosis,” Br J Psychiatry, vol. 195, no. 6, pp. 488–491, 2009.M. Di Forti et al., “Daily use, especially of high-potency cannabis, drives the earlier onset of psychosis in cannabis users,” Schizophr Bull, vol. 40, no. 6, pp. 1509–1517, 2014
8.National Academies of Sciences Engineering and Medicine, “The health effects of cannabis and cannabinoids: Current state of evidence and recommendations for research,” Washington, DC, 2017.
9.LINK
Gallop poll
In a July 2019 Gallup poll, 12% of U.S. adults said they smoke marijuana, a percentage that is essentially unchanged since 2015.
The July 2019 Gallup survey found that the likelihood to smoke marijuana varies significantly by gender, age, and political ideology.
Men (15%) are more likely to smoke marijuana than women (9%).
At 22%, 18- to 29-year-olds are the most likely age group to smoke marijuana -- about twice as likely as those between the ages of 30 and 64, and seven times as likely as adults older than 65.
Liberals (24%) are six times more likely to smoke marijuana than conservatives (4%), and twice as likely as moderates (12%).
Compared to alcohol
Prevalence of Drinking: According to the 2019 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), 85.6 percent of people ages 18 and older reported that they drank alcohol at some point in their lifetime,(1) 69.5 percent reported that they drank in the past year,(2) and 54.9 percent (59.1 percent of men in this age group and 51.0 percent of women in this age group3) reported that they drank in the past month.(3)
Reference.
1 SAMHSA, Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality. 2019 National Survey on Drug Use and Health. Table 2.17B – Alcohol Use in Lifetime among Persons Aged 12 or Older, by Age Group and Demographic Characteristics: Percentages, 2018 and 2019. LINK Accessed December 8, 2020.
2 SAMHSA, Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality. 2019 National Survey on Drug Use and Health. Table 2.18B – Alcohol Use in Past Year among Persons Aged 12 or Older, by Age Group and Demographic Characteristics: Percentages, 2018 and 2019. LINK Accessed December 8, 2020.
3 SAMHSA, Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality. 2019 National Survey on Drug Use and Health. Table 2.19B – Alcohol Use in Past Month among Persons Aged 12 or Older, by Age Group and Demographic Characteristics: Percentages, 2018 and 2019. LINK Accessed December 8, 2020.
I can't imagine how bad it will get with legalizing MJ. People that don't see it as a gateway drug are fooling themselves.
Alcohol has it's issues. I watched one of the prettiest girls at LSU in the early 80s drink herself to death by age 50, couldn't stop.
But weed is a far worse, starts many down a bad path. I know at least 4 kids under 24 who died of drug overdose in the last 8 years. Parents, for the most part, had no issue with them and weed. 1 friend kid and 3 friends of friends kids.
Also know 3 people with trans kids. Never thought that would happen, but normalization of questionable things to appease small minorities have consequences.
Fast Facts
Marijuana is the most commonly used federally illegal drug in the United States; 48.2 million people, or about 18% of Americans, used it at least once in 2019.(1)
Recent research estimated that approximately 3 in 10 (30%) people who use marijuana have marijuana use disorder.(2) For people who begin using marijuana before age 18, the risk of developing marijuana use disorder is even greater.(3) That's compared to 6% of drinkers who have a problem with alcohol (9)
Marijuana use directly affects the brain, specifically the parts of the brain responsible for memory, learning, attention, decision-making, coordination, emotion, and reaction time. Infants, children, and teens (who still have developing brains) are especially susceptible to the adverse effects of marijuana.(4,5)
Long-term or frequent marijuana use has been linked to increased risk of psychosis or schizophrenia in some users.(6,7)
Using marijuana during pregnancy may increase the person’s risk for pregnancy complications. Pregnant and breastfeeding persons should avoid marijuana.(8)
Reference
1.Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, “Key substance use and mental health indicators in the United States: Results from the 2019 National Survey on Drug Use and Health,” Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, Rockville, MD, 2020.
2.S. Hasin et al., “Prevalence of Marijuana Use Disorders in the United States Between 2001–2002 and 2012–2013,” JAMA Psychiatry, vol. 72, no. 12, pp. 1235–1242, 2015.
3.Lopez-Quintero et al., “Probability and predictors of transition from first use to dependence on nicotine, alcohol, cannabis, and cocaine: results of the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions (NESARC),” Drug Alcohol Depend, vol. 115, no. 1–2, pp. 120–130, 2011.
4.M. Filbey et al., “Long-term effects of marijuana use on the brain,” in Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A, vol. 111, Center for BrainHealth, University of Texas, Dallas, TX 75235 The Mind Research Network, Albuquerque, NM 87106 and, 2014, pp. 16913–16918.
5.H. Meier et al., “Persistent cannabis users show neuropsychological decline from childhood to midlife,” Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A, vol. 109, no. 40, pp. E2657-64, 2012.
6.Di Forti et al., “Proportion of patients in south London with first-episode psychosis attributable to use of high potency cannabis: a case-control study,” Lancet Psychiatry, vol. 2, no. 3, pp. 233–238, 2015.
7.Di Forti et al., “High-potency cannabis and the risk of psychosis,” Br J Psychiatry, vol. 195, no. 6, pp. 488–491, 2009.M. Di Forti et al., “Daily use, especially of high-potency cannabis, drives the earlier onset of psychosis in cannabis users,” Schizophr Bull, vol. 40, no. 6, pp. 1509–1517, 2014
8.National Academies of Sciences Engineering and Medicine, “The health effects of cannabis and cannabinoids: Current state of evidence and recommendations for research,” Washington, DC, 2017.
9.LINK
Gallop poll
In a July 2019 Gallup poll, 12% of U.S. adults said they smoke marijuana, a percentage that is essentially unchanged since 2015.
The July 2019 Gallup survey found that the likelihood to smoke marijuana varies significantly by gender, age, and political ideology.
Men (15%) are more likely to smoke marijuana than women (9%).
At 22%, 18- to 29-year-olds are the most likely age group to smoke marijuana -- about twice as likely as those between the ages of 30 and 64, and seven times as likely as adults older than 65.
Liberals (24%) are six times more likely to smoke marijuana than conservatives (4%), and twice as likely as moderates (12%).
Compared to alcohol
Prevalence of Drinking: According to the 2019 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), 85.6 percent of people ages 18 and older reported that they drank alcohol at some point in their lifetime,(1) 69.5 percent reported that they drank in the past year,(2) and 54.9 percent (59.1 percent of men in this age group and 51.0 percent of women in this age group3) reported that they drank in the past month.(3)
Reference.
1 SAMHSA, Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality. 2019 National Survey on Drug Use and Health. Table 2.17B – Alcohol Use in Lifetime among Persons Aged 12 or Older, by Age Group and Demographic Characteristics: Percentages, 2018 and 2019. LINK Accessed December 8, 2020.
2 SAMHSA, Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality. 2019 National Survey on Drug Use and Health. Table 2.18B – Alcohol Use in Past Year among Persons Aged 12 or Older, by Age Group and Demographic Characteristics: Percentages, 2018 and 2019. LINK Accessed December 8, 2020.
3 SAMHSA, Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality. 2019 National Survey on Drug Use and Health. Table 2.19B – Alcohol Use in Past Month among Persons Aged 12 or Older, by Age Group and Demographic Characteristics: Percentages, 2018 and 2019. LINK Accessed December 8, 2020.
I can't imagine how bad it will get with legalizing MJ. People that don't see it as a gateway drug are fooling themselves.
Alcohol has it's issues. I watched one of the prettiest girls at LSU in the early 80s drink herself to death by age 50, couldn't stop.
But weed is a far worse, starts many down a bad path. I know at least 4 kids under 24 who died of drug overdose in the last 8 years. Parents, for the most part, had no issue with them and weed. 1 friend kid and 3 friends of friends kids.
Also know 3 people with trans kids. Never thought that would happen, but normalization of questionable things to appease small minorities have consequences.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 3:43 pm to Cole Beer
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The only people truly for liberty and personal choice are hard core libertarians.
Most libertarians are progressives who want weed legalized.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 3:50 pm to troyt37
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Ironical. Essentially, that's what those of us against legalization have been saying. We have enough shite out there for society to deal with. Why pile a bunch of "legal" drug users on top?
Weed has been both clinically and anecdotally proven to reduce stress as well as anxiety
General anger, depression, suicide, and mental health are massive epidemics currently in this country.
If you feel like legalizing a substance proven to improve mental health, release stress, and reduce anger, will somehow make conditions in this country worse, then you are part of the problem
Also, it’s just ironic*
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:01 pm to troyt37
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We have enough shite out there for society to deal with. Why pile a bunch of "legal" drug users on top?
By that rationale we should go back to prohibition and nuke Vegas from orbit?
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:02 pm to Chancellor
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I've never met a pothead who wasn't a completely worthless dumbass. And, no, you haven't either. And don't introduce yourself. You're not the exception (no matter what backstory you make up).
A Bammer with a stupid take on the situation, color me shocked.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:07 pm to sabes que
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sabes que
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Unfortunately a lot of people that think like you are Republicans in Congress.
so after reading the bill for 2 minutes, it's full of bureaucracy and bloat...and you FELL FOR IT, hook line and sinker.
never trust the Dems to do something simple and straight forward.
ETA - im in favor of legalizing or decriminalizing. but not at the expense of more taxpayer funding programs.
Put a bill out there with 1 page and im good
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:11 pm to ShoeBang
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By that rationale we should go back to prohibition and nuke Vegas from orbit?
Or, you know, simply not pile another 40 layers of shite, to include having taxpayers pay reparations for the WOD, on top of the mountainous heap of shite we are already dealing with.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:16 pm to Terrific Tales
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General anger, depression, suicide, and mental health are massive epidemics currently in this country.
Yeah, we have it so much worse than previous generations. What’s a little depression, or putting down Nazi Germany compared to what we have going now, right? Americans need to be more “medicated” than they are now, for sure.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:31 pm to sabes que
Not surprising at all. 98.7 percent Republicans are cucks.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:33 pm to troyt37
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Yeah, we have it so much worse than previous generations. What’s a little depression, or putting down Nazi Germany compared to what we have going now, right? Americans need to be more “medicated” than they are now, for sure.
Dude you’re fricking stupid. Depression and suicide come from places of mental fatigue and a feeling of being lost and directionless in the world. Comparing the feelings of generations separated and completely incapable of comprehending variable situations makes no sense.
Also, when things like War or a depression occurring, that’s a focal point for the minds of the populous, and that creates a sense of purpose and combined virtue.
In a time like this with generations stacked of meaningless and repetitive life, it should only be expected for depression, stress, and suicide to be at an all time high
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:38 pm to troyt37
This is the equality retarded conservative side of this argument as muh alcohol from the left. Conserving things just for the sake of it is dumb. Not even delving into weeds history and motivations to keep it schedule 1, we know now it provides medical benefits even in place of some of the most popular medicines. Why would you stand against something that can be as effective as Percocet or Xanax but less addictive in their place?
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:41 pm to Terrific Tales
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If you support the immediate release of any incarcerated for possession on time of legalization, then you should also support the reimbursement of fines for marijuana possession. I don’t know about 3 billion, but it seems only fair
I don’t support the immediate release of people who knowingly broke the law.
I support marijuana legalization. I don’t support retroactive expungements or reparations to (a mostly minority/democrat voter base group of individuals)
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:43 pm to Ostrich
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I don’t support the immediate release of people who knowingly broke the law.
So if someone was jailed for life for murder, and all of a sudden we as a country decided murder should be legal, you think that person should stay in jail their whole life for something that isn’t even a crime anymore?
What a terrible take
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:50 pm to rltiger
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But weed is a far worse, starts many down a bad path. I know at least 4 kids under 24 who died of drug overdose in the last 8 years. Parents, for the most part, had no issue with them and weed. 1 friend kid and 3 friends of friends kids.
0 of those overdose deaths were THC fatalities.
alcohol is much more of a health problem than THC is. thats not to say thc is harmless, but saying its far worse health-wise than alcohol is laughable.
maybe if your argument is that it leads them down a bad path you have a point... but then theres the other point that they have to seek illegal sources for it, which then is what exposes to the drug dealers who offer the real problematic drugs that lead down a bad path.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 4:51 pm to Terrific Tales
Yes because “murder” was a crime when they committed it. Actions have consequences. Don’t break the law.
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