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re: RFK exposing more secrets by Big Pharma…
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:49 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:49 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Let me know when you can answer the question champ
Huh, so incurious.
quote:Ok mind reader
You poor schmuck. Think really hard for once.
quote:Oh but peasants shouldn't have a seat at the table when policy is made. I'm pretty sure you won't see the inconsistency
If they don't want to, no
You realize you just agreed with RFKjr, right? That's PRECISELY the point he's making
quote:Some people are asking for this system to put back on the table for discussion. Other people are saying those people shouldn't have a seat at the table because they're too stupid
outside of COVID, that isn't the way our 'compulsory' system of vaccinations worked
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Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:52 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Liberty. No question. Unequivocally. Vaccines didn't even exist for almost 100% of human history. Liberty trumps vaccines by about a million miles.
Guess which one is more important to human history.
quote:Why do you need me to rehash what other doctors have already said. Oh but those doctors are quacks, right?
Regale me with your experience with these medications. Get into the weeds
"Trust me, bro" quote:I'm asking should it be mandated? You've already said no. Then why even bring up the point about hospital capacity?
are you just describing preventative health care?
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:55 am to somethingdifferent
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Let me know when you can answer the question champ
Maybe when you can tell me what era I am referring to smart guy.
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Oh but peasants shouldn't have a seat at the table when policy is made.
At least you know your place. That is good.
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Some people are asking for this system to put back on the table for discussion.
And I am saying that you aren’t understanding the bigger picture nor do you understand the particular details. That is the convenience of the ‘bull in the china shop’ approach. You understand none of these things intimately but are convinced that whatever it is needs to be broken. It is driven by the politics of revenge and that is a politics that has failed repeatedly in US history, thankfully. You will fail here too.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 1:55 am to crazy4lsu
quote:I asked you has this happened or not. You didn't answer
If such spike protein depositions were actually occurring
quote:Says the person who hasn't answered the question
This is straight up retarded
quote:When you actually can follow along in the thread, let us know
you fricking idiot
quote:What question did I not answer
I've asked you several
quote:Let us know when you want to grow up and answer
The best you can do is to give perhaps one of the dumbest answers I've ever heard that makes no sense and then you doubled down on it
Posted on 9/8/25 at 2:00 am to crazy4lsu
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Again, how is he going to do that?
You mean other than what I typed out? You either need some coffee or some sleep quote:I explained fully what the assertion was. It's not nearly as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. The main point is transparency in general. It's not that hard to understand.
You are making really gigantic claims and not understanding the scale of those claims
He's stated that financial influences from big pharma need to be exposed. He's even named specific journals. He suggested creating journals run by the NIH for more transparency than current, privately funded journals.
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you fricking idiot
Ok DODGEPosted on 9/8/25 at 2:01 am to somethingdifferent
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Vaccines didn't even exist for almost 100% of human history.
Arguably, conceptions of liberty didn’t either. I’d argue that they belong to the same era, starting with Descartes and his important departures from empiricism towards a method of standard reasoning.
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Why do you need me to rehash what other doctors have already said. Oh but those doctors are quacks, right?
Well I have my own set of experiences that conflict with theirs. Again, what I said originally still stands.
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I'm asking should it be mandated? You've already said no. Then why even bring up the point about hospital capacity?
No, your description is just one used to argue for cost-cutting by focusing on cheaper preventative measures rather than far more expensive interventions.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 2:07 am to crazy4lsu
quote:You said the "questioning" would happen even if RFKjr didn't do it. I asked you who. So the "era" would be EVER genius. EVER. Has there EVER been a head of HHS who went after big pharma like he is.
Maybe when you can tell me what era I am referring to smart guy
If so, why weren't you bothered by them like you are with him?
quote:At least you're being honest so I at least achieved that.
At least you know your place. That is good
quote:I understand liberty genius.
And I am saying that you aren’t understanding the bigger picture nor do you understand the particular details
quote:I understand government corruption and that someone like Trump/RFKjr is the kind of person who has a glimmer of hope in breaking through it.
You understand none of these things intimately but are convinced that whatever it is needs to be broken
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It is driven by the politics of revenge
Ok. I'm dealing with someone who has TDS. Why didn't you just say that. You might not realize this but almost all of your protestations are based on the fact that you think you can read other people's minds. You can't.
quote:So you like govt corruption. That's all you had to say.
that is a politics that has failed repeatedly in US history, thankfully
quote:You are wrong. USAID is an example of govt corruption that was dismantled by that evil ORANGE MAN BAD
You will fail here too
Posted on 9/8/25 at 2:13 am to somethingdifferent
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You mean other than what I typed out? You either need some coffee or some sleep
No, you just keep repeating vague generalities without referencing at what point in the process he is going to fix. You are combining several different institutions and treating them as though they are one. It isn’t suggesting you know and understand the process and what exactly needs to change.
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He's stated that financial influences from big pharma need to be exposed.
They are already exposed.
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He suggested creating journals run by the NIH for more transparency than current, privately funded journals.
Unfortunately, the NIH has done quite a lot since the 1970’s to basically funnel publicly-funded research into private entities, starting with recombinant DNA. Regardless, I don’t think the funding issues with major journals is an impediment, especially those journals associated with university presses, which do not have the same constraints on publishing as do a company like SAGE. It isn’t a terrible idea, but it also isn’t one that is going to fix the issues with peer review.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 2:16 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Completely, historically, factually false. People have fought against tyranny since there have been people
Arguably, conceptions of liberty didn’t either
quote:That is a modern, western, continental formulation of something that has been around for a long, long, long time.
starting with Descartes
At this point, I have you arguing against liberty. It's amazing
quote:"Trust me, bro"
Well I have my own set of experiences that conflict with theirs
quote:No it does not. I'm tellling you what doctors said. So why don't you go ahead and call them quacks like you said you should get to decide who gets to discuss immunization policy
what I said originally still stands
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No, your description is just one used to argue for cost-cutting by focusing on cheaper preventative measures rather than far more expensive interventions
You said that one justification for mandating vaccines was that hospital capacity would be stressed. You asked if I was ready to overrun the hospitals. Then I responded to your denying the antecedent fallacy You need a break
Posted on 9/8/25 at 2:17 am to somethingdifferent
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You said the "questioning" would happen even if RFKjr didn't do it. I asked you who. So the "era" would be EVER genius. EVER. Has there EVER been a head of HHS who went after big pharma like he is.
I think we are getting the lines of dialogue confused, which can happen over a thread like this. I was referring here to the era which originated the anti-vax movement.
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At least you're being honest so I at least achieved that.
Hopefully I can teach you the basics of pathology too.
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I understand liberty genius.
Nah
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I understand government corruption and that someone like Trump/RFKjr is the kind of person who has a glimmer of hope in breaking through it
If that helps you sleep at night.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 2:22 am to somethingdifferent
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Completely, historically, factually false. People have fought against tyranny since there have been people
I mean, fighting against tyranny isn’t necessarily the same as fighting for liberty.
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That is a modern, western, continental formulation of something that has been around for a long, long, long time.
That is also the one you happen to use as your definition without seemingly realizing it. Which is why I ascribed it to that era instead of another.
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Trust me, bro"
Incurious again. Sad!
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No it does not. I'm tellling you what doctors said. So why don't you go ahead and call them quacks like you said you should get to decide who gets to discuss immunization policy
Some of them were. It depends on who we are talking about.
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You said that one justification for mandating vaccines was that hospital capacity would be stressed.
Yes, pediatric ward capacity would be stressed in a situation where we privileged your version of liberty.
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You asked if I was ready to overrun the hospitals.
I used different verbiage.
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Then I responded to your denying the antecedent fallacy
I am sure you think you did but again, you have done a remarkably poor job of doing anything other than wanting to suck RFK’s brainworm from his dick. Sad! Seems like you have some curious symptoms.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 2:23 am to crazy4lsu
quote:I gave you specifics. You are even quoting them
No, you just keep repeating vague generalities without referencing at what point in the process he is going to fix
quote:That's what "in general" means
You are combining several different institutions and treating them as though they are one
quote:I said "transparency." Just in general. And that is correct. Read the OP. You seriously need a break
It isn’t suggesting you know and understand the process and what exactly needs to change
quote:Sigh. Crime is "exposed" but it keeps happening. It's not something that just stops once you point out one example of it. Why are you being obtuse? Did he steal your girlfriend? The man is out there trying to bring to light unethical and in some cases criminal activity and you are acting like he took your lollipop. He is trying to expose people who lied to you, stole your tax dollars and tried to get govt to force behavior on you. He sure it evil
They are already exposed
quote:It's amazing you think this. Money doesn't influence people? Maybe you didn't hear about the tobacco scandal
I don’t think the funding issues with major journals is an impediment
quote:It is one part of an overall approach
it also isn’t one that is going to fix the issues with peer review
Posted on 9/8/25 at 2:26 am to somethingdifferent
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I asked you has this happened or not. You didn't answer
It has not happened in a clinically reproducible way.
You still don’t understand what a symptom is. Again, there hasn’t been a clinically meaningful result of this supposed spike protein deposition, especially given how ubiquitous the vaccine was. Which is why I asked for a symptomatology, or a set of symptoms that could be traced to an etiology. Look, it’s okay for you to fail this portion like you’ve failed other portions. I wasn’t expecting much. And to be fair, no one has produced anything meaningful when I’ve asked this question. Your answer was definitely the worst though.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 2:31 am to somethingdifferent
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I gave you specifics. You are even quoting them
Nah
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That's what "in general" means
That isn’t really illustrative of knowing what the specific problem is and knowing how to fix it.
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I said "transparency." Just in general. And that is correct. Read the OP. You seriously need a break
More vague nonsense.
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The man is out there trying to bring to light unethical and in some cases criminal activity
He is not.
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It's amazing you think this. Money doesn't influence people?
I don’t think you actually have any insight into how scientific research is conducted. Hence why you retreat to the vaguest position and retreat from clarity.
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It is one part of an overall approach
Great, you’ve given me no indication that he is going to be able to fix any part of what you claim is broken. Nicely done.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 7:18 am to TigerDoc
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Natural immunity was real and should have been respected more.
Now ask yourself WHY it was dismissed.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:35 am to TigerDoc
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He's pulling the wool here. Vaccines go through similar testing to pharmaceuticals, but vaccines with an established safety record like flu vaccinations don't have to go through placebo-controlled studies every year because (1) there is a long-established safety record and (2) the flu antigens circulating change frequently enough that you couldn't get timely annual protection if you did a full trial every year. It works fine. RFK wants vaccines to be more feared, less available, more expensive, less used.
If a vaccine is safe and effective, you should not have to mandate it.
If a vaccine is safe and effective, then those want to get it can get it and should be protected from said disease.
Those who choose not to get vaccinated are not a risk to those who are vaccinated if the vaccine is safe and effective.
Now. STFU, and mods, anchor the f out of this.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:56 am to Flats
This is an astute question and I think a lot more fruitful line of questioning than anything RFK is on. Warp Speed was a public health achievement in its speed, but it did neglect equally expediting questions about immunity post-infection and relative to vaccine which would've improved understanding of how much benefit a mandatory vaccination program would have. I think they were also unbalanced between the viral epidemiology and the social science epidemiology, and this is compounded by the fact that social science epidemiology would be made a lot better if a lot of social conservatives would contribute to that field. Pandemics are always chaotic and contentious but it could've been better.
This post was edited on 9/8/25 at 9:07 am
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:08 am to TigerDoc
The mandatory vaccination should have only been applied to cohorts with high risk of complications from acquiring immunity naturally, and even then you can make a good argument that mandating it caused more harm than good because of the social aspect.
It never made sense to give it to healthy young people. Even the OG NEJM article had enough information to glean that it didn’t prevent actual infection, although it was very effective at preventing symptoms.
The social aspect of Biden fricking everything up really needs to be researched and described academically.
This entire era of skepticism, not just of vaccines but also our government in general, can be tied to the Biden administrations decision to mandate the Covid vaccine.
You had a controversial election full of misinformation, a bunch of protestors burning shite on the steps of Congress, and then you decide to force people to take something they really don’t understand and are already skeptical of by default (pandemic in general).
How fricking stupid can you be? It’s so retarded that part of me wonders if they did it intentionally to bias skeptics even more and “own the conservatives”.
It never made sense to give it to healthy young people. Even the OG NEJM article had enough information to glean that it didn’t prevent actual infection, although it was very effective at preventing symptoms.
The social aspect of Biden fricking everything up really needs to be researched and described academically.
This entire era of skepticism, not just of vaccines but also our government in general, can be tied to the Biden administrations decision to mandate the Covid vaccine.
You had a controversial election full of misinformation, a bunch of protestors burning shite on the steps of Congress, and then you decide to force people to take something they really don’t understand and are already skeptical of by default (pandemic in general).
How fricking stupid can you be? It’s so retarded that part of me wonders if they did it intentionally to bias skeptics even more and “own the conservatives”.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:08 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Knock yourself out
I was referring here to the era which originated the anti-vax movement
quote:Because I need that to understand liberty and freedom
Hopefully I can teach you the basics of pathology too
quote:Oh I forgot, liberty is "nuanced" and "complicated." Go on about Descartes. Throw in some Locke and Rousseau while you're at it
Nah
quote:After dozens of emotional posts NOW you're starting to mind your own business? What took so long?
If that helps you sleep at night
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:13 am to somethingdifferent
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Knock yourself out
You can’t follow an argument to save your life.
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Because I need that to understand liberty and freedom
No, so I can teach you what a symptom is again.
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Oh I forgot, liberty is "nuanced" and "complicated." Go on about Descartes. Throw in some Locke and Rousseau while you're at it
And several more people that you haven’t read.
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After dozens of emotional posts NOW you're starting to mind your own business? What took so long?
The emotional posts here are the ones in which you profess to know anything about the scientific process. Another doctor poster challenged you earlier in the thread and the more you posted the clearer it became that about that topic in particular you knew less than the average person. Go whine in that new thread after you proved you shouldn’t have an opinion on any aspect of modern life with any complexity.
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