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re: Science is debunking itself again
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I assume you mean evolution through natural selection.
Evolution as the layman understands it. Goo to man.
To your comment about jibe with Christianity, goo to man theory doesn't mesh with Christianity. God created man. God didn't mention He created the conditions for life, He created man in His image. Dust to man.
You're in no position to have recommendations on this topic. I can't imagine finding spiritual guidance as a Christian in science. But to believe some of the scenarios that science comes up with requires a lot of faith. I think you may have this backwards actually. I think maybe folks that don't believe in the Christian God might look for answers in the guessings of man.
To your biography on Darwin,...
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:19 pm to Bayoubred
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Stop reading books about the Bible and read the Bible
Stop trying to learn biology from a three thousand year old spiritual text and pick up a science text book.
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be saved or you will burn in Hell.
That's a false dilemma.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:20 pm to Tider13
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There isnt one because we didnt come from apes.
You think evolution makes this claim?
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Maybe you did but not the rest of us.
I know you think that this was some cute snark, but it really is just doubling down on your ignorance.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:21 pm to VolcanicTiger
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Now consider that electrons may depend on smaller particles, and other particles exist as well. To run every single one at every single point in time is pointless. It makes infinitely more sense to operate as though they are in a known range, and process based on that. Go for precision on an as-needed basis, i.e. when it is being observed.
Just curious if you have listened to any of Donald Hoffman's lectures or interviews and what you may think of his theory of consciousness agents. LINK
Just an abstract of one his papers:
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Studies of the evolution of perception using evolutionary games and genetic
algorithms reveal that natural selection routinely drives veridical perceptions (i.e.,
perceptions that resemble the truth) to quick extinction when they compete
against perceptions that are non-veridical and tuned to fitness. This motivates an
interface theory of perception, which proposes that our perceptions are not
windows on truth, but are more like the windows interface of a PC. The icons on
the desktop of a PC allow us to use the computer without being distracted by
irrelevant details about its internal structure and operation. Similarly, our
perceptions allow us to act adaptively in the world while being ignorant of its true
structure. Space-time is our species-specific desktop and physical objects are
icons on that desktop. Space-time and physical objects are not insights into
objective reality, but species-specific adaptations that allow us to survive and
reproduce. This requires a radical reformulation of our notion of the nature of
objective reality, and of our notion of time. In light of the evolutionary results, I
propose that consciousness, rather than space-time and physical objects, is
fundamental. I propose a formal model of consciousness based on a
mathematical structure called conscious agents. I then propose how time and
space emerge from the interactions of conscious agents.
I dont have the scientific background or perhaps even the mental horsepower to process some of what he is saying in his talks but I find it fascinating
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:24 pm to VolcanicTiger
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I love when they pretend to think that matter was always here, or matter's predecessor, or how they think that saying "something came from nothing" is stupid, but "everything came from something <1% the size of an atom" makes perfect sense.
I love how they pretend there is an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenelovent invisible entity that we all should worship.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:25 pm to Tider13
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Go ahead and look for the "missing" link.
Wow. This is why people who actually know what they're talking about dismiss some of you so easily.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:34 pm to BayouBlitz
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I love how they pretend there is an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenelovent invisible entity that we all should worship.
Its these jumps in thought with a lot of folks that get me too. Its like oh scientist are having to rework a theory....must mean women came from Adam's rib. Even if we could somehow prove the existence of a intelligent designer that in no way adds credibility to the existence of a god in any human religion.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:37 pm to Tider13
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So how has it been debunked?
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Well for one it's never been proven.
That isn't the same thing as being debunked. Try answering again.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:39 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:I'm not familiar with him, but he sounds like he's on the same page that I am, and that's that the science fanboys/"Science of the Gaps" bros have dismissed consciousness as "just side effect of muh brain". Modern thought takes consciousness from an annoying side effect to the top of the hierarchy, which I believe, and which is consistent with the most fundamental idea of the Bible. And people who mock God are just uncomfortable because it threatens their identity.
I dont have the scientific background or perhaps even the mental horsepower to process some of what he is saying in his talks but I find it fascinating
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Stop trying to learn biology from a three thousand year old spiritual text and pick up a science text book.
Uh, you can roll the dice on that. You can "trust the science" on theories but so far, evolution, big bang, flat earth, earth bring the center, and COVID have all been jive talk
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be saved or you will burn in Hell.
That's a false dilemma.
Let us know
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:58 pm to TrueTiger
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A type of computer running code at the most basic level.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:58 pm to VolcanicTiger
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I'm not familiar with him, but he sounds like he's on the same page that I am,
Oh man.. I think you will enjoy his ideas. He is all over YT but here are couple of the ones I've watched:
LINK
LINK
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nd which is consistent with the most fundamental idea of the Bible
How so?
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nd people who mock God are just uncomfortable because it threatens their identity.
I'm open to an intelligent designer of sorts but I just cant wrap my head around the prime mover concept. I dont mock the idea and I keep the pilot light lit with hope and the occasional prayer for who ever might be listening but I dont "believe" in God.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:58 pm to VolcanicTiger
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people who mock God are just uncomfortable because it threatens their identity.
Which God?
Posted on 9/21/23 at 12:59 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Studies of the evolution of perception using evolutionary games and genetic algorithms reveal that natural selection routinely drives veridical perceptions (i.e., perceptions that resemble the truth) to quick extinction when they compete against perceptions that are non-veridical and tuned to fitness.
I've seen several people discuss this but it's like dividing by zero. You no longer have a reason for believing in objective truth, including the conclusion that you no longer have any reason to believe in objective truth.
Pure materialism will also make short work of the concept of free will, but that's another one most people just aren't willing to accept.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:01 pm to ThuperThumpin
Making evolution as just another product of the simulation is certainly simpatico. That would make evolution a programmatic result.
Which points to a programmer(s).
The natural selection atheists crowd will still shite on it because they love using natural selection as a cudgel to attack theists.
Which points to a programmer(s).
The natural selection atheists crowd will still shite on it because they love using natural selection as a cudgel to attack theists.
This post was edited on 9/21/23 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:15 pm to Herooftheday
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You can "trust the science" on theories but so far, evolution, big bang, flat earth, earth bring the center, and COVID have all been jive talk
Guess how many scientific theories man has developed over the years that have not yet been disproven.
Are you taking ALL of those on, or just the ones you perceive to disagree with your beliefs?
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Let us know
How many people do you have direct knowledge of going to Hell? I can’t name a single one.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Guess how many scientific theories man has developed over the years that have not yet been disproven.
Are you taking ALL of those on, or just the ones you perceive to disagree with your beliefs?
Terrible logic. One could reasonably argue that the vast majority have been disproven, and even "settled science" is no longer settled.
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How many people do you have direct knowledge of going to Hell? I can’t name a single one.
I've never known a hot dog-eating contest winner. Must mean that it's all faked.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:18 pm to Flats
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You no longer have a reason for believing in objective truth, including the conclusion that you no longer have any reason to believe in objective truth.
There can still be "objective truth" as we perceive it within his theory I guess. The recycle can icon on you pc screen is there. It serves a function, but its not actually a recycle can.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:19 pm to VolcanicTiger
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How many people do you have direct knowledge of going to Hell? I can’t name a single one.
I've never known a hot dog-eating contest winner. Must mean that it's all faked.
Much, much worse logic.
Posted on 9/21/23 at 1:19 pm to Tider13
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Well for one it's never been proven.
Proof is for mathematics.
Something like evolution can never be "proven" in the sense you are referring. It can be demonstrated to be fact, since all available evidence across every single different way we look for it corresponds with evolution being a fact. There's simply no contradiction.
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Go ahead and look for the "missing" link.
We have, quite literally, thousands of "missing links".
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we didnt come from apes.
You are right. We did not.
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