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re: Should churches be taxed?
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:13 am to the808bass
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:13 am to the808bass
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So Jesse is provided that benefit by the church and then pays taxes on the benefit.
A housing allowance can be excluded from a ministers personal tax return.
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:17 am to TCO
You don’t get it. That’s on his parishioners and not on anyone else. They’re the ones willingly paying for that. Not my problem, It’s theirs. Protecting? Never said that kid. If you have a problem with them being suckered by a “pastor” like that, take it up with them or let the IRS flesh that out. A few JD’s doesn’t make for every church being taxed.
That means because some idiots shoot their guns illegally all gun owners should lose their rights to bear arms?
Pin point the problems and surgically deal with it and not penalize the whole group. That’s idiotic.
That means because some idiots shoot their guns illegally all gun owners should lose their rights to bear arms?
Pin point the problems and surgically deal with it and not penalize the whole group. That’s idiotic.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:32 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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You don’t get it. That’s on his parishioners and not on anyone else. They’re the ones willingly paying for that. Not my problem, It’s theirs. Protecting? Never said that kid. If you have a problem with them being suckered by a “pastor” like that, take it up with them or let the IRS flesh that out. A few JD’s doesn’t make for every church being taxed.
I don’t give a shite what the parishioners want. Everyone, and I mean everyone, should be the same under the law.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 1:12 am to fareplay
Contrary to popular belief, not every church is a mega church raking in millions per year on book sales and other things other than tithes.
Many small churches barely get by and have just enough to pay for the overhead of having a building and paying for a pastor. Money received in excess of expenses typically goes back into the budget for ministry expenses and/or to give a pastor a cost of living increase so he doesn’t have to get a second job. Adding on extra taxes would tank a lot of churches while not doing much at all to offset expenditures by the state and federal governments, especially when they (governments) typically don’t attempt to limit expenditures and have no problems asking for tax increases across the board anyway.
Pastors are employees and are independent contractors for the purpose of social security and other taxes. They are required to pay taxes. Churches, however, have no “owners” or “shareholders” like businesses do, so no one is pocketing money through dividends, but it goes towards additional ministry expenses.
The power to tax is the power to control, and to destroy. In this culture of ever increasing hostility towards Christianity, it isn’t far fetched to have governments penalize churches for what they teach and preach through the tax code. On the other hand, churches have traditionally been exempt from taxes because they offer services that alleviate the state of expenses through charitable giving/donations, and outreach services that help the poor and downtrodden. They also traditionally have provided centers of morality that help people be better citizens, which is a benefit to society overall.
It seems those who want to tax churches are simply being mean spirited and want to shut down those charitable non-profits out of spite.
Many small churches barely get by and have just enough to pay for the overhead of having a building and paying for a pastor. Money received in excess of expenses typically goes back into the budget for ministry expenses and/or to give a pastor a cost of living increase so he doesn’t have to get a second job. Adding on extra taxes would tank a lot of churches while not doing much at all to offset expenditures by the state and federal governments, especially when they (governments) typically don’t attempt to limit expenditures and have no problems asking for tax increases across the board anyway.
Pastors are employees and are independent contractors for the purpose of social security and other taxes. They are required to pay taxes. Churches, however, have no “owners” or “shareholders” like businesses do, so no one is pocketing money through dividends, but it goes towards additional ministry expenses.
The power to tax is the power to control, and to destroy. In this culture of ever increasing hostility towards Christianity, it isn’t far fetched to have governments penalize churches for what they teach and preach through the tax code. On the other hand, churches have traditionally been exempt from taxes because they offer services that alleviate the state of expenses through charitable giving/donations, and outreach services that help the poor and downtrodden. They also traditionally have provided centers of morality that help people be better citizens, which is a benefit to society overall.
It seems those who want to tax churches are simply being mean spirited and want to shut down those charitable non-profits out of spite.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 3:18 am to fareplay
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Should churches be taxed?
Does the Pope help pedophiles get away with their crimes?
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:40 am to fareplay
it is unconstitutional to tax "churches"
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Posted on 5/16/23 at 5:19 am to fareplay
100% YES
Posted on 5/16/23 at 5:21 am to fareplay
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They run like a business but are tax exempt which causes questionable behaviors in their financials.
In this thread we will have "conservatives" who push for more taxation.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 5:21 am to dbeck
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We need fewer taxes, not more.
Yep.
Needy people love taxes. They need you to fund their lifestyle.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 5:22 am to Motownsix
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100% YES
So all non profits should be taxed then, correct? Political parties, red cross, etc.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 5:33 am to OweO
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open a church with ease then every dollar they get is tax free
in the name of buda
Posted on 5/16/23 at 5:49 am to fareplay
No. Taxation is theft.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:02 am to fareplay
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Church and religion in general plays a big role in our politics and daily lives. They run like a business but are tax exempt which causes questionable behaviors in their financials. If we were to tax churches, there would be more transparency of spend and we can feel better about supporting the right goals. Why not tax em
You’re clearly extremely ignorant to the history of litigation regarding this issue. Not a single person, right or left, can argue with the court’s thinking on this. Honestly. Open a book.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:06 am to Motownsix
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100% YES
Progressives love other people's money. Just a hunch, my guess is most male Democrats were born on third base but have no clue how to be self sufficient.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:42 am to TCO
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A congregation should be able to protect their pastor so he can live a tax-free, luxury lifestyle? I pay taxes. You pay taxes. Why should JD be able to get a mansion and private jet tax free? This is not religion. It’s a scam.
This has already been covered.. but the pastor DOES NOT RECEIVE TAX FREE INCOME.
They are taxed on their income the same as anyone else as the church is due their (pastor/preacher’s/etc) part of employment tax or they pay self employment tax.
And if that church owns and maintains that property as a benefit to him.. then he cannot claim a housing allowance on any of it.
The employees are taxed. All of them.
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 8:04 am
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:46 am to AggieHank86
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An income tax would be problematic, but I see no reason that they should not be subject to property taxes.
Except the Supreme Court has already ruled on it and laid it out in their opinion.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:56 am to fareplay
Let's tax people more. Sounds great/
Posted on 5/16/23 at 6:57 am to fareplay
Yeah, leaving political organizations and other secular charitable organizations as those who are deemed worthy of receiving a tax exempt status.
Sounds more like you have an axe to grind with God. Casting aside the rotten apples, and we know who they are, as well as God does, churches, missionaries, outreaches, and those who they support have done more to not just spread the good news, but give real aid to people in desperate need throughout the world and this country over time in this country than anything anyone else has done by comparison, but if all you do is focus on the bad fruit, you will never come to grips with that. While government uses money irresponsibly and to trap people by creating welfare states they cannot escape from, there are churches right here that take people who’ve made really bad life decisions and given them a ray of hope to build a new life upon, a second chance. Government just keeps them in their condition and feeds their bad decisions with no hope for people.
You are looking to the WRONG people for assistance when you are looking to government and our tax dollars. Once they have you on their plantation, that’s it, and that’s the plan.
Sounds more like you have an axe to grind with God. Casting aside the rotten apples, and we know who they are, as well as God does, churches, missionaries, outreaches, and those who they support have done more to not just spread the good news, but give real aid to people in desperate need throughout the world and this country over time in this country than anything anyone else has done by comparison, but if all you do is focus on the bad fruit, you will never come to grips with that. While government uses money irresponsibly and to trap people by creating welfare states they cannot escape from, there are churches right here that take people who’ve made really bad life decisions and given them a ray of hope to build a new life upon, a second chance. Government just keeps them in their condition and feeds their bad decisions with no hope for people.
You are looking to the WRONG people for assistance when you are looking to government and our tax dollars. Once they have you on their plantation, that’s it, and that’s the plan.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:16 am to Loserman
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or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
You make a compelling case here for abolition of the NFA. No taxes on religion. No taxes on voting because they are inalienable rights and the constitution prohibits taxes on such things. Likewise, there should be no $200 tax stamp for attaching a piece of black plastic to a bang stick. In fact, all arms and accessories including scopes, slings, and bullets should be free of taxation.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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In this thread we will have "conservatives" who push for more taxation.
No kidding:
Dems wanna ban guns for “safety”? Nooo! The Constitution! Mercia!
Dems wanna arrest you for hate speech? Nooo! The Constitution! Merica!
Dems wanna limit your movement during the pandemic? Nooo! The Constitution! Merica!
Dems wanna tax religious establishments despite litigation already ruling against it? Litigation Using Constitutional arguments? Yea. Frick it. Bleed em dry. Have at it Dems!!
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