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re: Should Joe Biden be immune from prosecution for taking bribes while in office?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You can substitute in any manner of nefarious deed, from murdering their entire family to having the FBI plant evidence to manufacture crimes against them or their family,
Looks like you are describing our present day situation.
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
He didn't do that, it's in the Constitution.
And spare me the condescending BS when we've seen our own Federal Gov weaponized with a fake dossier as well as 4 FISA warrants illegally issued off of a DNC paid for opposition hit scam.
There is a process by which the President can be removed from office, the Dems tried to do that and failed. It was a heinous political attack on the Executive office, aided by treasonous GOPe scum.
It's really just that simple.
But keep trying to deflect Joe's unfathomable corruption committed while was VP and afterwards, when the CCP paid him off by funding his university think tank.
For the love of god, stop playing the role of apologist for the corrupt Biden regime by engaging in this inane " But Trump " bullshite.
And spare me the condescending BS when we've seen our own Federal Gov weaponized with a fake dossier as well as 4 FISA warrants illegally issued off of a DNC paid for opposition hit scam.
There is a process by which the President can be removed from office, the Dems tried to do that and failed. It was a heinous political attack on the Executive office, aided by treasonous GOPe scum.
It's really just that simple.
But keep trying to deflect Joe's unfathomable corruption committed while was VP and afterwards, when the CCP paid him off by funding his university think tank.
For the love of god, stop playing the role of apologist for the corrupt Biden regime by engaging in this inane " But Trump " bullshite.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:09 pm to Wednesday
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1. Define “illegal pressure.”
I said you can pick ANYthing that would create enough pressure to stop the vote from being successful.
Theoretically he could just kill every opposing Rep or Senator, if you want to get direct/extreme. That way he could never be impeached or removed.
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Just bc he did something unseemly, which made him subject to impeachment and removal, doesn’t mean he should be convicted of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. Whole different standard.
This is about immunity.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:10 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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But keep trying to deflect Joe's unfathomable corruption committed while was VP and afterwards, when the CCP paid him off by funding his university think tank.
For the love of god, stop playing the role of apologist for the corrupt Biden regime by engaging in this inane " But Trump " bullshite.
wut
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Should Joe Biden be immune from prosecution for taking bribes while in office?
No bribery is specifically mentioned in the Constitution
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:14 pm to 14&Counting
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No bribery is specifically mentioned in the Constitution
For impeachment. I'm talking about criminal prosecution pursuant to the federal code.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
It would depend on the crime.
Not everything a president can be impeached and removed for would meet the burden of proof for a criminal act. I mean - the moron democrats impeached Trump for an “abuse of power” whatever the actual frick that means. So you saying by “illegal means” - means nothing.
I’d assume that there some criminal acts that are not impeachable offenses, unless arising to the level of “high crimes and misdemeanors” as determined by Congress thru impeachment proceedings.
I would assume for a president’s non discretionary acts, he’s absolutely immune forever.
Criminal Actions are which ARE determined to be treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors, no immunity once impeached and removed - bc Congress has essentially determined that the immunity should be removed.
The President would still be required to be charged / convicted to go to jail.
Not everything a president can be impeached and removed for would meet the burden of proof for a criminal act. I mean - the moron democrats impeached Trump for an “abuse of power” whatever the actual frick that means. So you saying by “illegal means” - means nothing.
I’d assume that there some criminal acts that are not impeachable offenses, unless arising to the level of “high crimes and misdemeanors” as determined by Congress thru impeachment proceedings.
I would assume for a president’s non discretionary acts, he’s absolutely immune forever.
Criminal Actions are which ARE determined to be treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors, no immunity once impeached and removed - bc Congress has essentially determined that the immunity should be removed.
The President would still be required to be charged / convicted to go to jail.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:21 pm to Wednesday
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Criminal Actions are which ARE considered to be treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors, no immunity once impeached and removed.
I go back. So he can kill any opposing Rep/Senator who would vote to impeach or remove him, and he'd be immune for those murders?
Can't impeach a guy who kills everyone who would vote to impeach him
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yes
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
I would also say, that the dumb shite Trump is charged with he’s absolutely immune for. It arose out of either his protected 1A rights, or acts associated with his presidential authority, which Congress determined were not treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors.
All of the Jack Smith shite, should be dismissed as a result.
All of the Jack Smith shite, should be dismissed as a result.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
The easy answer is of course not. Or for committing any other crime.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
You are insufferable
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
If he lines the right pockets, then he’ll be immune from prosecution.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:25 pm to Wednesday
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You are insufferable
It's a pretty straight forward question.
I doubt the Founders intended that sort of immunity, for those exact reasons.
There is a reason Nixon was pardoned without any removal by the Senate and a finding he was immune from civil liability.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:26 pm to TheHarahanian
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If he lines the right pockets, then he’ll be immune from prosecution.
Impeachment, too.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No. I think Biden actually took bribes.
You only make comments like this because you know Biden will never be prosecuted for bribery or any other crime. If Biden were to actually be charged with a crime, you’d fall all over yourself to defend him.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
If he is successfully impeached, then he can be prosecuted.
Impeachment conviction lifts immunity.
Impeachment conviction lifts immunity.
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Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
U.S. CONST. art. I, § 3, cl. 7
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:30 pm to LSU2ALA
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If the president has absolute immunity from criminal prosecution, then that’s a major failure of our system.
Disagree.
Congress just needs the integrity to remove a POTUS when it needs to happen instead of being blindly partisan (looking at you, Democrats). The system is in place and is perfectly adequate to deal with a criminal president, as long as we don't have a criminal Congress as well.
And before you laugh at the idea of expecting Congress to have a minimal degree of integrity, allowing the POTUS to be prosecuted while in office then just shifts the need for integrity to the DOJ. Having a corrupt DOJ leaves the system just as vulnerable.
Need I say more about that?
Bottom line, Congress needs to start doing its job instead of existing just to argue for the public's entertainment.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Was he impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors related to bribery and then not convicted by the Senate?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 2:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You do know Trump is charged with actual crimes, right
Right but as I mentioned these “crimes” were framed off things like “insurrection”. That’s how the left has framed it. He did nothing of the sort nor was it an insurrection. Of course they are charging him of that BUT the left is taking acts that were clearly NOT insurrection and trying to shoehorn his actions and call it a crime. There’s no actual substance to the charges.
As opposed to Biden and bribery…that’s pretty much cut and dry. He obviously took money and obviously altered policy for it. That’s pointing out a factual crime not taking what Trump said on Jan 6 and then labeling it a crime…that’s just a trumped up bullshite framing of what actually happened. Nowhere did I say Trump wasn’t accused of a crime. I said his alleged crimes come from a mischaracterization of his actions not straight up taking a bribe as Biden did.
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