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re: So did Pretti’s gun go off in the agent’s hand or not?
Posted on 1/25/26 at 8:55 am to tigerfan 64
Posted on 1/25/26 at 8:55 am to tigerfan 64
Multiple people fighting over a gun. What could go wrong.
Only one person had the ability to end the confrontation and avoid having multiple people fighting over a gun. Only one. And now he is dead.
So the ONLY person that could have ended the dangerous situation choose not to. I blame him.
Next! And you know it is coming. More people on both sides of this issue will die needlessly, with the root cause being that stupid people have been brainwashed by the devil worshipping party. You know they are filled with joy over this shooting as they fake outrage (politicians), because it is exactly what their goal was.
Only one person had the ability to end the confrontation and avoid having multiple people fighting over a gun. Only one. And now he is dead.
So the ONLY person that could have ended the dangerous situation choose not to. I blame him.
Next! And you know it is coming. More people on both sides of this issue will die needlessly, with the root cause being that stupid people have been brainwashed by the devil worshipping party. You know they are filled with joy over this shooting as they fake outrage (politicians), because it is exactly what their goal was.
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Posted on 1/25/26 at 8:56 am to baybeefeetz
I’m leaning towards a tragic series of events that never occur if he stays home on the couch.
Olive Jacket (the shooter) is observing but not in the pile. Grey Jacket (gun retriever) circles behind the pile and to Olive Jacket’s immediate left. With his RIGHT hand, Grey Jacket exposes the firearm and begins to unholster it, setting off the unfortunate events.. in that moment it is possible that Olive Jacket mistook the right hand unholstering the weapon to be the dead guy’s hand. This is the moment he steps back and draws his weapon. At the same time, Grey Jacket is semi concealing the weapon as he keeps it low to the ground in his retreat.
The confusion turns deadly because as Olive Jacket begins to maneuver, the gun in Grey Jacket’s hand discharges. Olive Jacket, still under the mistaken belief that the dead guy retrieved the pistol is now behind him. From this position he’s heard the shot, but cannot see dead guy’s hands because they are down low in front of him. Dead guy begins to stand and Olive Jacket opens fire.
IMO, the manner in which Grey Jacket retrieved the weapon is the catalyst. From the video I can’t pick up any sort of communication from him to the other officers as to what he was doing or that he secured the weapon. It appears he retrieved it without the others being aware and they reacted to a gun shot
Olive Jacket (the shooter) is observing but not in the pile. Grey Jacket (gun retriever) circles behind the pile and to Olive Jacket’s immediate left. With his RIGHT hand, Grey Jacket exposes the firearm and begins to unholster it, setting off the unfortunate events.. in that moment it is possible that Olive Jacket mistook the right hand unholstering the weapon to be the dead guy’s hand. This is the moment he steps back and draws his weapon. At the same time, Grey Jacket is semi concealing the weapon as he keeps it low to the ground in his retreat.
The confusion turns deadly because as Olive Jacket begins to maneuver, the gun in Grey Jacket’s hand discharges. Olive Jacket, still under the mistaken belief that the dead guy retrieved the pistol is now behind him. From this position he’s heard the shot, but cannot see dead guy’s hands because they are down low in front of him. Dead guy begins to stand and Olive Jacket opens fire.
IMO, the manner in which Grey Jacket retrieved the weapon is the catalyst. From the video I can’t pick up any sort of communication from him to the other officers as to what he was doing or that he secured the weapon. It appears he retrieved it without the others being aware and they reacted to a gun shot
Posted on 1/25/26 at 8:58 am to omegaman66
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Only one person had the ability to end the confrontation and avoid having multiple people fighting over a gun. Only one. And now he is dead.
No the agent who shoved the lady is not dead
Posted on 1/25/26 at 8:58 am to LSUTANGERINE
Okay I’ll look in a little while.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:00 am to baybeefeetz
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If that’s not what happened, it’s a bad shoot, plain and simple.
it is not that 'simple' wrt to 'bad shoot'
unless you are referring to it being unfortunate turn of events.
Remember NONE of this should have happened:
- years of corruption creates a massive community of criminal aliens.
- MN officials create 'sanctuary' status to protect the criminals
- federal agents arrive to arrest the "worst of the worst first"
- MN officials fail to support legitimate law enforcement activity.
- contrarily, MN officials stir up the public with outrageous lies
- lame stream media piles on with outrageously biased coverage of 'news'
- ICE/BPE officials are overwhelmed by idiotic 'protesters' constantly
- Officers forced to make life/death decisions instantly amid physical chaos
- idiots blame it all on the people who are trying to enforce the law.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:01 am to baybeefeetz
Regardless, Tampon Walz and Small Frey got this dude killed.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:01 am to Jesterea
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I’ve seen multiple people conflate the two incidents in their quickness to justify this shooting.
I don’t think its conflation as much as it is confusion which people are trying to gain clarity…like the OP who is simply asking a question.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:04 am to LSUTANGERINE
Eh her video doesn’t show the first shot coming out of the officer’s gun. The second shot heard can pretty much be seen and it seems to be the first one that affects Pretti.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:05 am to OceanMan
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I don’t think its conflation as much as it is confusion which people are trying to gain clarit
The initial reporting on MAGA and conservative media was intentional conflation. Example from yesterday, with the intended responses in plain view
Some dude yesterday had a fricking meltdown when I described the confusion as "fog of war" in a tangential discussion. I apparently did not take a clear enough side and his NPC brain malfunctioned.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:08 am to RollTide1987
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I'm not saying the shooting was justified, I'm not saying it wasn't, but it's a good rule of thumb not to inject yourself into a tense situation involving law enforcement while armed with a gun.
Which is completely lost on the idiots encouraging the chaos in Minnesota.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:09 am to Gifman
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This. He was looking for a fight with armed agents and he got one. Carrying a loaded pistol while attacking law enforcement added another layer as well.
This. By carrying, you automatically escalate any conflict you may find yourself in. That's why you are taught to avoid all conflict when carrying and only brandish the weapon when it's the last resort and to have 100% intent to use.
He chose to involve himself in a violent conflict with LE. He chose to obstruct their actions and resist arrest. He did everything wrong and he was not just "walking by and trying to help".
Was it a good shoot? Yes. Could it have been handled differently? Probably, but hindsight is 20/20 and you have people publicly calling for and threatening to kill ICE agents. It may be getting old but FAFO still applies.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:10 am to Sp0728
He did not pull it out or threaten to use it.
Are you certain this is true?? if not you are one big liar
Are you certain this is true?? if not you are one big liar
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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No the agent who shoved the lady is not dead
DAMMIT - All morning I've been trying to adjust my opinion of you wrt political subjects.
And here you go blaming the officers for the predictable outcome of corrupt government officials building up a decade of open fraud and noncompliance.
Sure - this should NOT have happened.
who is to blame for creating the environment that makes in possible - and absolutely certain over a long period of open rebellion - for people to get hurt.
Do I think this is a horrible mistake? - I am leaning that way - but I will NEVER blame anyone other than the MN corrupt officials for setting the stage that REQUIRED those agent do their lawful work while contending with constant harassment from ignorant/complicit crowds who openly harass and threaten their lives.
There is only ONE moral agent to blame for this. - the CORRUPT democrat political institution.
There is ZERO chance this would have happened had the ICE/BPE been allowed to do their jobs without constant physical interference from the hordes of 'useful idiots' called up by MN governmental officials.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:12 am to ChineseBandit58
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And here you go blaming the officers for the predictable outcome of corrupt government officials building up a decade of open fraud and noncompliance.
No.
I'm blaming a Border Patrol agent acting improperly and likely illegally to start the situation that led to this killing.
You don't need to look outside the facts of this incident to analyze it.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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The initial reporting on MAGA and conservative media was intentional conflation.
I will admit I was disappointed in the initial reports from the DHS on this thing.
I think they went forward with information that was not slanted toward precise description of the event.
HOWEVER - they were CORRECT in their description of the more important = "WHY did this happen" = nobody to blame but Walz & crew.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:20 am to TFH
quote:Wow if true this completely changes the narrative.
he didn’t pull it out or reach for it. An agent took it out of his holster while yelling “GUN!” and another agent heard that and started shooting
1. ICE is wholly incompetent and is hiring Nancy boys who can’t handle themselves in a situation with a nurse.
2. His family is about to become multi millionaires.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:20 am to SloppyFrog
This whole things is about creating martyrs to fuel unrest and chaos. They get a bunch of people worked up and confrontational, and eventually some of those folks take it too far and get themselves killed.
They hope this feeds more unrest, more chaos and more killing until it really pops off and they get free reign to drop a hammer.
It's not dissimilar to J6, except the left has far, far more people willing to play along. The uniparty is behind it all. Prepare for the hammer because they are bringing it, one way or another.
They hope this feeds more unrest, more chaos and more killing until it really pops off and they get free reign to drop a hammer.
It's not dissimilar to J6, except the left has far, far more people willing to play along. The uniparty is behind it all. Prepare for the hammer because they are bringing it, one way or another.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:20 am to RFK
Wow if true this completely changes the narrative.
1. ICE is wholly incompetent and is hiring Nancy boys who can’t handle themselves in a situation with a nurse.
2. His family is about to become multi millionaires.
1. ICE is wholly incompetent and is hiring Nancy boys who can’t handle themselves in a situation with a nurse.
2. His family is about to become multi millionaires.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:22 am to baybeefeetz
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He disrupted law enforcement, at worst.
I disagree. He was attempting to prevent the will of the American people from being implemented.
It's about 80% of the American citizenship wants US immigration laws enforced and illegals deported.
This nurse, the dead dude, thought his will should be implemented, not the peoples.
That alone is not an act of terrorism, but you can smell a terrorist from there.
This post was edited on 1/25/26 at 9:24 am
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