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re: So did Pretti’s gun go off in the agent’s hand or not?
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:22 am to DamnGood86
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:22 am to DamnGood86
ICE removed his LAWFULLY CARRIED gun and then shot him for it.
*true* Republicans please justify this shooting. I’ll hang up and listen.
*true* Republicans please justify this shooting. I’ll hang up and listen.
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Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:25 am to RFK
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ICE removed his LAWFULLY CARRIED gun and then shot him for it.
What WAS he doing?
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:26 am to jbdawgs03
Oh, so this wa nothing more than a tragic accident? I'm not a blinded dolt like yourself who will accept the admin. line.
Please don't tell me you are objective in this matter, unless you are just consciously and intentionally trying to be stupid.
Please don't tell me you are objective in this matter, unless you are just consciously and intentionally trying to be stupid.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:26 am to LSUbest
WHATS THE DEAL with this airplane food?
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:28 am to RFK
RFK WTF
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:35 am to ChineseBandit58
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this is where I am on this thing I'm giving the ICE guys every benefit of doubt I can. I want them to be right. But at the moment I am not convinced. I will continue to stand up for them until actual facts prove otherwise.
I’ll try to help.
Start with this stabilized video posted by stout:
Separate the actions of the agent that pushed a protester/agitator into the snow. That’s the same agent that used his nonlethal weapon (chemical spray) as a blunt object against Pretti. I can’t see any reason why he would be justified in doing either of those things.
At the time that agent pushed an agitator into the snow, the shooter was across the street.
Courts have a fact finding objective. Their mandate is to consider the circumstances as the shooter reasonably perceived them at the time. For law enforcement, it’s from the perspective of a reasonable officer.
Now look at Stout’s video. From other videos we know the agent in the gray coat removed himself from the scuffle while holding a handgun that matched the weapon Pretti brought to the scene. So we can watch that guy’s right hand in the slow motion video during the crowded scuffle. He has it on Pretti’s right hip (where most people holster weapons). But we don’t see a holster. Pretti may have slid it into his waistband.
In the video we see the shooter is holding a nonlethal spray in his right hand. This indicates he did not perceive an imminent lethal threat. He was only prepared to use nonlethal force…until something changed. He passes the canister from his right hand to his left and then begins drawing his weapon (below).
We see gray coat removing his hand from Pretti’s hip and the object that was previously there is no longer there. Gray coat begins removing himself from the scene (below).
The shooter begins changing his position filling some of the space occupied by gray coat. Other agents disengage. Then we see Pretti get off the ground. His left hand is close to the ground. His right hand is where? It’s in the location where we know his gun was likely removed. His head even begins to tilt in that direction.
We then see Pretti with a clenched left fist. Is he holding something? We also see Pretti’s right hand and arm is even more clearly reaching behind his own waist and his head tilt as if looking for visual cues for his intended grasp is even more pronounced.
How certain are we that Pretti was reaching for his rear waistband? The below image shows a less obstructed view after he has received at least one bullet and after agents have begun to scatter.
A reasonable person could easily conclude that not only did the agent making the decision to shoot did not see the weapon was removed or saw what he thought was another weapon, neither did Pretti. Pretti seemed to believe there was an object worth reaching for during his final life decision.
Pretti knew better than anyone that he was armed with a fully loaded semiautomatic gun, a site enhancement, and 2 additional loaded magazines. And he is seen in the video reaching for where we now know the weapon was.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:37 am to ChineseBandit58
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The MORAL fault is with the DEM party in general - and with the MN officials in particular - and incidentally with the shite-for-brains public in MN.
The shite for brains public in MN is probably in favor of obstructing the police at a rate of 15%, and actively participating at a rate of 2%.
The media makes it look like 95%. It is not. These people are largely paid to protest, and are mostly visitors to that state.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:38 am to baybeefeetz
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something else.
mistake of fact maybe
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:39 am to baybeefeetz
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Attitude but no substance. I care about what happened. If that’s not what happened, it’s a bad shoot, plain and simple.
Wanna know how all of this could have been avoided?
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:40 am to RCDfan1950
Dude this was a different idiot
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:44 am to Sp0728
quote:Might wanna read up on MN hand gun laws. Must have a permit to carry a handgun in public in MN and wait for it ,,,,, permit must be in your possession while carrying. MN is one of the states that greatly restricts handgun access.
Citizens have a 2A right. He did not pull it out or threaten to use it.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:45 am to RFK
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WHATS THE DEAL with this airplane food?
I've grown to appreciate it.
Let's see if I got this right.
Pretti was an ICU nurse that liked to pretend he was a reporter and neighborhood observer.
He was out that day "documenting" the activities of ice and ignoring their lawful commands.
When Pretti saw a woman, who witnesses described as a protester/neighborhood observer, shoved to the ground he jumped in to help her.
She was apparently not a subject of the arrest procedure and neither was Pretti.
They appear to have only gotten involved because they ignored the lawful commands of the agents and attempted to prevent the arrest of an illegal alien.
Is that what you got?
Oh and try the red wines.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:46 am to baybeefeetz
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Stop calling this guy a terrorist
Terrorist.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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Patrol agent acting improperly and likely illegally to start the situation that led to this killing
This is quite a requirement - sounds like you are demanding perfection.
And not just plain old perfection. You demand that this perfection be without ANY disagreement - even from those opposed to the action.
YES -- I saw the 'push' - I still do not know what perpetrated that action.
And YES - it may well have - probably DID have some influence on causing the confrontation to begin the way it did.
However - IF you are going to demand perfection, as defined by opponents, in every aspect of every action taken, you might as well shut the whole thing down.
AND - if you are so intent on finding the 'original cause' of this horrible outcome, then I invite you to comment in the following - which CERTAINLY would have prevented the horrible outcome.
1) Minnesota not establishing a "sanctuary city" inviting the 3rd world to come live off the American taxpayer.
2) MN officials NOT cooperating with ICE/BPE when they capture illegal aliens who commit crimes when they release them back into the public rather than turning them over to ICE.
3) Walz and Frey not encouraging their populations to 'go out and protest' the operations of the federal officials enforcing the law.
4) Individual Minnesotans not getting physical with their 'protests' of ICE agents doing their jobs
5) the MEDIA reporting on all political issues FAIRLY - instead of creating false narratives designed to enrage people unfamiliar with the facts.
6) Individuals act as good citizens instead of from harassing/attacking ICE.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:48 am to Sp0728
The reporting has pretty consistently been that he brandished the gun and was ordered to stand down, at which point he decided to fight with the agents…. So fail on you
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:50 am to Willie Stroker
Excellent job boss.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:51 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:What?
The reporting has pretty consistently been that he brandished the gun
Nobody has reported that
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:51 am to Sp0728
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Citizens have a 2A right. He did not pull it out or threaten to use it.
The second amendment doesn’t give you the right to resist arrest and wrestle with the cops with your firearm.
He didn’t get shot because he had a gun.
He got shot because he had a gun AND was wrestling with the cops.
It’s a big fricking difference that you conveniently leave out.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:52 am to Sp0728
I don't know of a single gun owner that carries 30 rounds with them. This guy was looking for trouble
Posted on 1/25/26 at 9:55 am to Sp0728
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Who cares if he had 1 clip or 15 clips
I love it when people try to sound like they know what they’re talking about, when in reality, they don’t have the first clue.
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