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Trump‘s policies were lower gas prices, energy independence, higher wages, repatriating US industry and manufacturing, peace in the Middle East, no starting new foreign wars, a secure border…

The US has never been "energy independent," (just producing enough oil for our consumption doesn't make you "energy independent"...it doesn't work that way...you only become "energy independent" if you nationalize the industry and make it illegal to trade with foreign countries) and "peace in the Middle East" is not a policy (it may be a goal, but the policy would be what was done to achieve the goal).

And Trump's foreign policy decisions from 2016-2020 would be wailed at by most now-castrated rightist populists as "trying to start WWIII" if anyone other than Trump had enacted them.

Do you have any data that backs up the claim that Trump succeeded in bringing back any significant degree of manufacturing to the US? I am aware of his campaigning on that, I am just unaware of any proof that he actually did it.

Also, Trump's policies were also trade tariffs that were very predictably going to increase prices and taxes (which we know now for a fact that they have, as if anyone really needed proof that that was going to happen...any high school graduate who had taken Economics 101 could have told you that it would), and spending a-then record amount of money, thus having contributed somewhat to the inflation we see now.

And he's only talked about increasing those two problematic policies this time around.

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The establishment GOP may be a part of your “both sides, nonsense but when it comes to actual policies Trump’s worked.

I don't know what all of that incoherent sentence means...I get that you think Trump was successful in all of his goals, which he was not (unless increasing the price of food, causing American companies to lose market share, and increasing taxes via his trade tariffs were part of his desired outcome), but I don't know what you mean by "The establishment GOP may be a part of your “both sides, nonsense."

Like Trump already famously said in his debate with Biden, I don't think you know either.

Because what I said is that policies do not matter to people anymore, and the reason they don't is because pretty much everybody has embraced populism.

You populists don't care about policy. Not really. You may try to invoke policy as a talking point, but you don't care about it, and I will prove it.

Here's a link substantiating everything (and more) I posted above about Trump's tariff policies. It's from a non-political, non-partisan, non-profit that has been around since the 1930s. Tax Foundation

You will not care.

Trump is your guy, you are a populist, and therefore nothing anyone says or proves to you about his policies will make the least amount of difference to you, because as a populist you only care about the personality.

You will make some excuse, you will concoct some outlandish bullshite about a conspiracy to mis-state the data, you will go ad-hom, there are probably half a dozen ways you will respond, but the one and only thing I can guarantee is that you WILL. NOT. admit that it is true and that it is a bad policy of Trump's that has contributed to the economic landscape we find ourselves in.

Here's another one. Trump's recent obvious pandering regarding not paying tax on tips. That's a Carter-era Democrat ploy. An obvious one. There's a reason the harris campaign quickly coopted that one—because it's a leftist policy in the first place, just like the Bernie Sanders approved tariffs. But the board thought it was great, awesome, Yuge! just because trump proposed it (first, this time).

Now.

The populists on the left are exactly the same way.

The fact that you are farther back on the leftist scale than they are doesn't change the fact that both of you are populists. Both of you will respond exactly the same way when confronted with facts about policies, which is to basically ignore them.

The point being that Trump's policies are irrelevant to most people in this country when it comes to deciding the election. They are irrelevant to you and they are irrelevant to the vast majority of the opposition.

They just don't matter much anymore in the context of an election, which is exactly why Harris can beat Trump in the polls without articulating a policy agenda and with the only known data about likely policy being the failed polices of the administration she just served 3 1/2 years in.

And what I am saying is that you don't have any room to whine about that. You're the same way. See the tariff policy link above.

This post was edited on 8/18/24 at 11:34 pm