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Posted on 8/23/18 at 12:29 am to DarthRebel
At least one of them doesn'tlike this selective prosecution/stacking charges horse shite either.
potentially 305 fricking years
and these shitass leftists approve
potentially 305 fricking years
and these shitass leftists approve
Posted on 8/23/18 at 5:12 am to Eurocat
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No, yours.
This story is about the case in federal court. What do hypotheticals about state charges have to do with anything?
Posted on 8/23/18 at 5:23 am to Eurocat
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Clearly he didn't declare all his income for example.
Millionaires don't declare income. His accountant and Mr Gates were responsible for declaring it for him. The real question is how much of the "paper trail" is tied to Gates? The juror did not mention that they looked into that aspect.
Gates was stealing millions, and Manafort did not know it. There clearly is reasonable doubt concerning how involved Manafort was in his finances and with setting up corporations. Gates seemed far more involved with the offshore corporations and setting them up than the trial exposed since Gate kept lying on the witness stand. Gates should have been toe one on trial with Manafort testifying against him.
What Muller did is outrageous. Pedestal also should have been convicted. Allowing these 2 guys to get immunity, just to convict Manafort was far worse than any crime committed by Manafort.
I did not realize that lying to get a bank loan was such a big deal. It is wrong, and should not be done.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 6:31 am to Eurocat
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Okay OKAY I KEED I KEED.....just a little joke. But I am right many times!
You and my grandfather's pocket watch that has been sitting in my display case for the past 40 years.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 6:34 am to DarthRebel
My next paycheck says it was a woe-man. 
Posted on 8/23/18 at 7:21 am to DarthRebel
ETA: Manafort juror reveals lone holdout prevented Mueller team from winning conviction on all counts
This post was edited on 8/23/18 at 7:23 am
Posted on 8/23/18 at 7:36 am to djmicrobe
quote:11/12 jutors who sat in court for 100+ hours and actually saw all the evidence came to the conclusion of “guilt beyond all reasonable doubt.”
There clearly is reasonable doubt concerning how involved Manafort was in his finances and with setting up corporations.
Some yahoo on the internet who did none of that? He says they were “clearly” wrong. OK
This post was edited on 8/23/18 at 7:37 am
Posted on 8/23/18 at 7:44 am to TiptonInSC
quote:You will need to expound on this one, because I have always understood the POTUS pardon power to be limited to federal offenses as well ... sort of CrimLaw 101.quote:This proves your ignorance.
Trump can't pardon state charges.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 7:52 am to Eurocat
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Should Manafort or any other Trump loyalists face state-level charges, they could not be pardoned by President Trump, offering one possible avenue through which prosecutors can target aides without running afoul of the pardon power.
Targeting people, not crimes, was and is a hallmark of 3rd world banana republics everywhere.
May as well throw the hands up for ride down the rollercoaster.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 7:53 am to AggieHank86
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11/12 jutors who sat in court for 100+ hours and actually saw all the evidence came to the conclusion of “guilt beyond all reasonable doubt.”
Thats rather naive.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 7:54 am to BBONDS25
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What do hypotheticals about state charges have to do with anything?
Hope and change, mostly.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 7:59 am to DarthRebel
quote:Obviously we weren't privy to testimony and arguments, but the fact Manafort's team did not present a case is pretty damning. The did not get exoneration on a single count, nor did they come close. Yet they presented no case in Manafort's behalf? Seems like epic incompetence.
So it was one juror that saved Manafort
Posted on 8/23/18 at 7:59 am to DarthRebel
Tbh, this doesn't surprise me at all. It's nothing short of a miracle that he was convicted given the political implications. Considerable respect for the woman who was interviewed. She wore a MAGA hat to the trial every day and still found guilty. Shows how guilty the man is.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 8:00 am to AggieHank86
quote:Just like OJ, right?
11/12 jutors who sat in court for 100+ hours and actually saw all the evidence came to the conclusion of “guilt beyond all reasonable doubt.”
This post was edited on 8/23/18 at 8:01 am
Posted on 8/23/18 at 8:03 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Seems like only last week that the forum consensus said that the OSC had the incompetent legal staff.
The (defense attorneys) did not get exoneration on a single count, nor did they come close. Yet they presented no case in Manafort's behalf? Seems like epic incompetence.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 8:03 am to Wolfhound45
FTR, the above MAGA women voted to convict Manafort on all charges. This is not the lone holdout, that juror is currently unknown.
The above woman sat through the entire trial and stated she looks forward to voting for Trump in 2020.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 8:06 am to shrevetigertom
quote:You win “Dumbest Post of the Day.”
Just like OJ, right?
In the OJ case, the jurors in the criminal case came to the unanimous decision that the State failed to meet the (high) burden for a criminal conviction. So, “exactly the opposite of OJ,” Slick.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 8:07 am to DarthRebel
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the above MAGA women voted to convict Manafort on all charges.
I don't doubt for a second that he was guilty on all charges. That's not the problem I have with this... it's that the ONLY reason whatsoever that he's on trial, convicted and what not is because he dared to work for Trump. They don't care one whit about Paul Manafort. They care only about trying to get Trump. And will ruin anyone they can in order to do so.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 8:08 am to AggieHank86
The point is that just because they saw all of the evidence doesn’t mean they will get it right, genius.
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