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re: Tariffs I urge caution
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
And think about it Jacob as obnoxious as I am on this board calling them names
they still dislike you more than me
its not fair
they still dislike you more than me
its not fair
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:57 pm to OWLFAN86
Across the board tariffs is a daft idea and Trump knows it. He’s not an idiot. He will use the threat as a negotiating metric.
It’s amazing what Trump has accomplished in his short political career. When he ran in 2016 there was a consensus that China was our friend and partner. We were letting them setup Confucius Societies on our college campuses. We were outsourcing critical semiconductor industries to them. They were embedding spies in our congressmen’s inner circles.
Trump called them what they are - an enemy. His opponents castigated him, and then adopted his point of view.
Kamala is now calling for a wall on the southern border. So on immigration and China policy Trump has vanquished the field. His oft-criticized tariffs still stand after almost four years of opposition rule. Our NATO “allies” are now forking over hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid, just as Trump said they should.
Four more years of Trump will see a complete remodeling of our immigration policy, a renegotiation of our trade deals, even more shouldering of the military burden by our feckless allies, a continuation of the isolation of China, and a re-regulation of our food and pharma industries.
We just have to win.
It’s amazing what Trump has accomplished in his short political career. When he ran in 2016 there was a consensus that China was our friend and partner. We were letting them setup Confucius Societies on our college campuses. We were outsourcing critical semiconductor industries to them. They were embedding spies in our congressmen’s inner circles.
Trump called them what they are - an enemy. His opponents castigated him, and then adopted his point of view.
Kamala is now calling for a wall on the southern border. So on immigration and China policy Trump has vanquished the field. His oft-criticized tariffs still stand after almost four years of opposition rule. Our NATO “allies” are now forking over hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid, just as Trump said they should.
Four more years of Trump will see a complete remodeling of our immigration policy, a renegotiation of our trade deals, even more shouldering of the military burden by our feckless allies, a continuation of the isolation of China, and a re-regulation of our food and pharma industries.
We just have to win.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:58 pm to OWLFAN86
quote:
THE solution Im urging caution
Absolutely.
Our elected leaders need to be smart about implementing all tax policy and it has to be objective. Not emotional.
See what people each politician surrounds themselves with. That's a good indication that they will implement tax policy to maximize good outcomes for the people. It they have a staff of econometricians, that's a good sign.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:We are in deficit. Cost of carry for the debt now dictates we cannot solely cut the budget to attain balance. So revenue will have to pick up. How would you propose that occurs?
Then the costs of the tariffs need to come out of the Pentagon's budget
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:59 pm to GumboPot
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Why is the federal government so greedy?
Because there is no one standing between us and them to decrease spending.
Trump had his chance. Hearing him complain about inflation is fricking embarrassing as he had his hand in it.
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:00 pm to Penrod
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Penrod
Holy shite. You sound so reasonable.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:00 pm to OWLFAN86
I think the threat of tariffs and as a policy of last resort is good. A policy that is just Tariffs is bad. But I got a C- in World Eco.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:02 pm to Aubie Spr96
quote:so what are the threat of tariffs, you know ... like the ones that caused Mexico to send troops to their side of the border despite sparking off a war with 2 cartels.
Tariffs are taxes on consumers. Nothing more.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:quote:
Why is the federal government so greedy?
Because there is no one standing between us and them to decrease spending.
You still don't get it.
They spend because they can. There is one entity that allows this and it's not the American people. They just did a 0.5% rate cut which gives more space for spending.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:03 pm to I20goon
quote:
so what are the threat of tariffs,
Threats are worthless without the ability and desire to implement.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:04 pm to cajunangelle
quote:Thank you very much I greatly appreciate the consideration that people show me when they actually read the entirety of my postings
I am enjoying Roge bite into this hook line sinker. Even Owl said he doesn't think Trump will do any of the convoluted yibber yabber in the article. Muh globalization rules baby!
I have no problem being disagreed with but when people are accusing me of saying or supporting things that I did not say and do not support
And I believe yall are going to get some pretty good news early part maybe mid of next week Penn, Mich VA and even NY
and my crazy longshot NM .. it can happen
RonPaul gif
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:04 pm to NC_Tigah
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So revenue will have to pick up. How would you propose that occurs?
There is not a solution big enough to accomplish this.
We have to cut into the big programs (including the Pentagon's budget, so tariffs would be very disliked).
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:05 pm to GumboPot
quote:
You still don't get it.
They spend because they can.
Because, there is no one between you and I to mitigate it.
Trump had his shot.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Taxing your workers to support corporations that will invariably automate is not looking out for America.
What a myopic selfish view.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:08 pm to ItNeverRains
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What a myopic selfish view.
At least one of us understands classic economics.
And it aint you,.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We have to cut into the big programs
Military and entitlements.
Trumps own budgets he submitted were record breaking. He's no different than progressives.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Well that's a hell of a disappointing cop out answer.
There is not a solution big enough to accomplish this.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:11 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Well that's a hell of a disappointing cop out answer.
I think he means one solution, which is correct.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:11 pm to OWLFAN86
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Again I'm sharing information trying to point out some historical facts its not the direct criticism that all of you sensitive pussies act like The only conclusion I can take from that is you did not read or if you did do not understand the information
I understood tariffs and economics before you were born. But I don't post 300 word boring crap. So, I'll give you the short lesson:
1. Tariffs are not just a tax on a foreign country's goods. They are a THREAT. Do you understand how threats work? If China is sending millions of criminals across our border to bring us down then we can do 2 things:
a. Go to war with them.
b. Threaten to put tariffs on their stuff.
I prefer 'b.'
2. Tariffs are not on everything. We never use tariffs against products we can't produce ourselves economically. China produces canned tuna, sardines, etc. They sell for almost 10 cents a can less the other cans. I can afford 10 cents when we tax the crap. BTW, the labels on those cans are falsified by the Chinese. Their sodium content says: 'Zero'. Canned fish has LOTS of salt. They just lie.
Tariffs are a weapon that doesn't kill people. And if you think it will kill the economy then come back here after two years of Trump in office and tell me how the prices are doing.
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:14 pm to 50_Tiger
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What are loss jobs then?
Did they not teach economics in LA?
quote:
Without the division of labor and the trade based upon that division, the entire world would starve. Coerced restraints on trade—such as protectionism—cripple, hobble, and destroy trade, the source of life and prosperity. Protectionism is simply a plea that consumers, as well as general prosperity, be hurt so as to confer permanent special privilege upon groups of less efficient producers, at the expense of more competent firms and of consumers. But it is a peculiarly destructive kind of bailout, because it permanently shackles trade under the cloak of patriotism.
Tarrifs are the same as any other bailout.
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