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re: Teslas charging at a gas station...
Posted on 4/5/21 at 6:41 am to Giantkiller
Posted on 4/5/21 at 6:41 am to Giantkiller
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I don't get the hate for Tesla on this board. Elon is a patriot.
Davy Crocket and Jim Bowie were also Patriots, but I wouldn't buy a mule from either one of them.
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Posted on 4/5/21 at 6:52 am to Giantkiller
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I don't get the hate for Tesla on this board. Elon is a patriot.
His recent public statements on various issues have been a bit refreshing.
That said, his company makes a good chunk of it's revenue from selling "carbon credits" to other automakers.
And taxpayers subsidize a fair chunk of his endeavor.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 6:57 am to Mo Jeaux
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A lot of posters here are fat, mid-50s suburban types who believe that driving a huge pickup truck makes them a patriot, and that any interest a cultural artform outside of drinking beer and watching professional sports is ghey.
I know a few Tesla drivers who are Trump dudes. And it would seem like Musk's battle against the restrictive car manufacturers in this country (who are also about as government subsidized as you can possibly get) would get the average MAGA guy excited. I don't get it.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:02 am to Lima Whiskey
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People will ask, why should I put up with that? When I can drive a conventional vehicle?
That's why liberals want expensive gas. They want people to buy electric cars because it's economical to do so.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:04 am to AMS
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Tesla has models coming out with 500+ miles to a charge. With 80% charge in 20 minutes. In this decade you will be spending more time at the pump than a charging station
How long do the batteries last? How much do they cost? The battery in my phone after a year or two doesn't last as long as it did when it was brand new.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:08 am to AMS
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It takes like 20 mins for 80% charge.
I had read the 'quick charge' chargers were like an hour.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:08 am to Jax-Tiger
Tesla's battery tech is incredibly impressive and what people on this board do not realize is, that at its heart, Tesla is a battery company.
Also, Tesla's vehicles are, by far, more technologically impressive than why other mass produced car on the market. People who don't "get" them should go to a show room and request to drive one of the P100Ds. They will encourage you to use ludicrous plus mode and you will quickly "get" it
Also, Tesla's vehicles are, by far, more technologically impressive than why other mass produced car on the market. People who don't "get" them should go to a show room and request to drive one of the P100Ds. They will encourage you to use ludicrous plus mode and you will quickly "get" it
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:09 am to BiteMe2020
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His recent public statements on various issues have been a bit refreshing. That said, his company makes a good chunk of it's revenue from selling "carbon credits" to other automakers. And taxpayers subsidize a fair chunk of his endeavor.
It comes down to efficiency to me, and transferring energy to different forms isn't very efficient. Most of our electric power comes from fossil fuel, that has to be burned to generate electricity, that is transferred by wire to charging stations, where it must be converted to DC to charge batteries, then converted from DC electricity to mechanical energy to make the car move.
Using fossil fuel to create the mechanical energy in 1 step, seems obvious.
If we were producing more nuclear power, then I might change my mind.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:15 am to joshnorris14
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Also, Tesla's vehicles are, by far, more technologically impressive than why other mass produced car on the market. People who don't "get" them should go to a show room and request to drive one of the P100Ds. They will encourage you to use ludicrous plus mode and you will quickly "get" it
Corvettes are fun, but most people don’t buy them because it’s not practical. Tesla is the same thing for many people right now, there are just too many downsides to owning one for the average person.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:19 am to cssamerican
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Corvettes are fun, but most people don’t buy them because it’s not practical. Tesla is the same thing for many people right now, there are just too many downsides to owning one for the average person.
I would definitely buy a new Corvette, before a Tesla. At least the Corvette is a great looking car, I haven't seen a good looking Tesla yet.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:20 am to cssamerican
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Corvettes are fun, but most people don’t buy them because it’s not practical. Tesla is the same thing for many people right now, there are just too many downsides to owning one for the average person.
Teslas and Corvettes aren't comparable in any way, because there is no Tesla that is solely performance based (including the upcoming Roadster).
There may be a perception that Teslas have this characteristic, but it's one that will change in short order.
Teslas are impractical to drive cross country, but how often do people drive cross country? Outside of this, they aren't impractical for the vast majority of people
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:23 am to LSU2a
The basis of your argument is that cars were somehow functionally inferior and more expensive than horses.
Thats not true here.
Electric vehicles have some specific advantages. A simpler drivetrain. More torque. Which are offset by the disadvantages of driving a battery powered vehicle.
They’re not clearly superior, and in most cases are inferior to ICE vehicles.
Thats not true here.
Electric vehicles have some specific advantages. A simpler drivetrain. More torque. Which are offset by the disadvantages of driving a battery powered vehicle.
They’re not clearly superior, and in most cases are inferior to ICE vehicles.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:25 am to dafif
Does the Tesla have a towing package. I want to pull my trailer with a gas generator on it.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:26 am to Jax-Tiger
Agreed.
And this is why I hate social engineering. What right do they have?
And this is why I hate social engineering. What right do they have?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:34 am to auggie
Let’s just table this discussion for two years. I’m pro-oil and grew up oil field trash but this whole discussion changes with the new 4680 tabless battery Tesla invented. Charging times, heat, range...all of that changes. FTR, my handle is a hat tip to the inventor, not the company.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:35 am to DMAN1968
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My current Truck will do 500 miles on a tank.
And mine will do 500 miles pulling 10k pounds at 60mph on 34 gallons.
Electricity has a long arse ways to go.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:50 am to Tesla
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Let’s just table this discussion for two years. I’m pro-oil and grew up oil field trash but this whole discussion changes with the new 4680 tabless battery Tesla invented. Charging times, heat, range...all of that changes. FTR, my handle is a hat tip to the inventor, not the company.
I understand that may all improve, but you will still have the inefficiency inherent in the requirements of transferring the power to the car wheels. It doesn't add up.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:03 am to auggie
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I understand that may all improve, but you will still have the inefficiency inherent in the requirements of transferring the power to the car wheels. It doesn't add up.
And without variable gearing, the efficiency decreases the faster you drive in EVs. Air resistance increases with the square of velocity. Without a transmission, EVs just use more juice for more RPM.
Of course, adding variable gearing adds weight....
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 8:04 am
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:04 am to IslandBuckeye
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I have driven cross country East to West 4 times and North to South twice. I would have done none of that if required to stop to charge for that length of time. Thus I would have missed seeing most of our great country
Cant you do that on a bicycle? LOL
Posted on 4/5/21 at 8:07 am to dafif
If you own a home or live in an apartment complex that has chargers, you will do the vast majority of your charging at home. You'll only need to charge on the road if you're going more than 300 miles.
So if you gas up once a week in a ICE car and let's say that takes between 5 and 10 minutes (let's call it 8 minutes) then you're sitting at a gas station for about 7 hours per year. If it takes 20 minutes to get an 80% charge in a Tesla, then you can charge on the road 21 times and your time fueling each type of vehicle would be the same.
It depends on the usage of the owner. I used to commute about 50 miles a day round trip. In such a scenario, I'd only use a charger when taking a long trip - say 4 times per year - 4 times there and 4 times back - 8 times a year I'd use a charger away from home. Let's call it 9 so it rounds to an even hour - that'd be 3 hours a year sitting at a charging station, vs 7 hours per year with an ICE car.
I think people start with a prejudice regarding Electric Cars and work backwards from there. We are in the infancy of this technology. 400 mile per charge for normal consumer electric cars is right around the corner. I suspect the ability to get a 500 to 600 mile charge is less than 10 years away. When this technology gets to that level, owning an ICE vehicle will not make economic, logistical or practical sense.
So if you gas up once a week in a ICE car and let's say that takes between 5 and 10 minutes (let's call it 8 minutes) then you're sitting at a gas station for about 7 hours per year. If it takes 20 minutes to get an 80% charge in a Tesla, then you can charge on the road 21 times and your time fueling each type of vehicle would be the same.
It depends on the usage of the owner. I used to commute about 50 miles a day round trip. In such a scenario, I'd only use a charger when taking a long trip - say 4 times per year - 4 times there and 4 times back - 8 times a year I'd use a charger away from home. Let's call it 9 so it rounds to an even hour - that'd be 3 hours a year sitting at a charging station, vs 7 hours per year with an ICE car.
I think people start with a prejudice regarding Electric Cars and work backwards from there. We are in the infancy of this technology. 400 mile per charge for normal consumer electric cars is right around the corner. I suspect the ability to get a 500 to 600 mile charge is less than 10 years away. When this technology gets to that level, owning an ICE vehicle will not make economic, logistical or practical sense.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 8:09 am
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