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re: The dad knew Ahmaud previously
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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b. he changed directions to confront the deceased
Huh?
Deceased literally directly engages him. He curves around the front of the truck to go for shotgun guy.
There's literally no other way to see that element.
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:36 am to Caplewood
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We don’t know what the truth is
But we do know that what the police told her was a lie.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:36 am to Turbeauxdog
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Georgia law disagrees with you.
Let's say that Georgia law disagrees with me, which it might, do you not have a moral issue with what took place? Or could you sleep at night having done what these guys did?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:37 am to Turbeauxdog
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The ones quoted in the da memo.
by an idiot with a bias and motive
god I hate the DOJ but i can't wait for them to investigate those assholes
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:37 am to crazy4lsu
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We don't know if they witnessed a felony.
That doesn't seem to say they actually had to witness it. It also says "within his immediate knowledge." Maybe that has a very specific legal definition, but that definitely means that actually witnessing the crime isn't the only instance where you can make a citizens arrest.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:37 am to OceanMan
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Whether or not there were prior interactions between the two parties absolutely should influence the charges and therefore the murder case. I haven’t even seen the video. I have seen responses to the video unanimously saying it was a cold blooded murder. If there is any reason that it could not be cold blood, then yes it matters.
Could work the other way, demonstrating this citizen already “had it out” for Ahmaud.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:37 am to crazy4lsu
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Twice. Again, her being deferential isn't evidence of anything
Oh come now
She wasn't surprised her son was supposedly caught burglarizing a home.
That's certainly informative. The whole, "I just believed what the cops told me" line holds no water whatsoever.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:37 am to GumboPot
There is something extremely weird about all this. The neighbor declined to share footage with police. There was only one police report made for burglary in the area, despite the insistence by the McMichaels that there had been a string of break-ins. The first paragraph of the police report makes it clear that the McMichaels didn't see him commit a crime at that time, but had recognized him from before. Their recognizing him from before was their justification for carrying weapons.
My view is that Arbery might not have been an angel, but the way local authorities handled this was utterly incompetent, and made things worse for everyone involved.
My view is that Arbery might not have been an angel, but the way local authorities handled this was utterly incompetent, and made things worse for everyone involved.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:38 am to Dawgfanman
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Pointing a gun at another individual is violence. It’s a felony under most circumstances.
I agree. They weren't doing that.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:38 am to imjustafatkid
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That doesn't seem to say they actually had to witness it. It also says "within his immediate knowledge." Maybe that has a very specific legal definition, but that definitely means that actually witnessing the crime isn't the only instance where you can make a citizens arrest.
But they didn’t have that either.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:38 am to The Maj
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LMAO, so three rednecks kill a black man and film it... How fricking stupid can you be?
One redneck*
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Cause he's an idiot and shouldn't be engaged in the the activity he's engaged in
a. he was already out of the truck. why?
but
Come on man. Deceased initiated physical contact. That's not even debatable.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:39 am to crazy4lsu
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but the way local authorities handled this was utterly incompetent, and made things worse for everyone involved.
On this point, we can agree
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:39 am to imjustafatkid
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I agree. They weren't doing that.
The video shows the father with the gun up.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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holy shite you can clearly see him holding and aiming it
I'm sorry but this just isn't true. He very clearly bends over to pick up the gun at 20 seconds into the video you linked. If he's "aiming" something, it isn't that gun.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:42 am to ShortyRob
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She wasn't surprised her son was supposedly caught burglarizing a home.
That's certainly informative. The whole, "I just believed what the cops told me" line holds no water whatsoever.
I would like to see exactly what she was told by police, to be honest. They had the video at the time, and saying he died during a burglary, which is technically not true, in a fight over a handgun, technically not true, is worthy of some investigation.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:42 am to the808bass
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The video shows the father with the gun up.
It doesn't though. He clearly picks up the gun after the confrontation starts.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:43 am to crazy4lsu
Well, the police chief for the town is on administrative leave for a perjury investigation.
So there’s probably a lot of uncomfortable things going on there.
So there’s probably a lot of uncomfortable things going on there.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:43 am to Dawgfanman
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Could work the other way, demonstrating this citizen already “had it out” for Ahmaud.
Sure. I am in no way defending the guys doing the killing. There would have to be some pretty crazy circumstances for me to think they shouldn’t be killed themselves, but that is based on my personal convictions, not law.
I am just pointing out that this “cold-blooded murder” narrative based solely on the video is exactly why the general public does not serve as judge and jury.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:43 am to the808bass
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But they didn’t have that either.
The DA says they did. Which is why he initially didn't press charges. Why else do you think they were chasing after this guy and why else do you think we have this cell phone video? They had reason to believe this man committed a crime.
Does that justify shooting him dead? No. But if they had reasonable suspicion that he committed a felony and the other cell phone evidence that hasn't been released shows Arbery attacking - according to Georgia law that constitutes self-defense.
The trial will sort this all out. I just thank the Lord in heaven that we have a justice system that isn't based on mob rule.
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