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re: "The opioid crisis"
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:40 am to buckeye_vol
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:40 am to buckeye_vol
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Nope. Everybody should be able to write a literature review worthy of publication on the benefits and risks of every important decision from medication to investing.
actually the world would be a better place if people did at least try that...
but another quality am fail from you. Good effort, good try.
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Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:43 am to SlowEasyConfident
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Is anyone sick of hearing about this? It's sad but at the same time these people are responsible for their own choices. My doctor got me hooked just doesn't cut it, be an adult. But I guess our government needs to spend hundreds of millions to help the junkys. Sigh
my buddies dad got addicted to oxy during his cancer treatment. This happens to regular people all of the time.
If you were in high school between 00-10 and knew anyone that had minor surgery or spent a tough time a dentist, you were able to get ahold of a handful of painkillers.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:43 am to CptBengal
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actually the world would be a better place if people did at least try that...
yeah sure but that is only even possible by like the top 5-10% of IQ
plus it would be literally impossible to truly analyze the expertise required for all sorts of singular services/products in our lives
Milton Friedman - I, Pencil
that's just a pencil. imagine a television or hell, an automobile
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:46 am to CptBengal
quote:I actually agree, but it's unreasonable to expect all people to have the capability or the time to become experts on all matters.
actually the world would be a better place if people did at least try that...
And in this case, given the reason why the medications are prescribed, it may be impossible to consider the consequences (e.g., major accident).
quote:I agree with you so you're down in the fail territory with me.
but another quality am fail from you. Good effort, good try.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 9:47 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah sure but that is only even possible by like the top 5-10% of IQ
plus it would be literally impossible to truly analyze the expertise required for all sorts of singular services/products in our lives
Exactly. I don't know shite about electrical engineering, nor am I interested in it. If something fricks up, then the "you have known about this, so it's your fault not the expert's" excuse isn't going to fly.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:47 am to buckeye_vol
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I actually agree, but it's unreasonable to expect people all people to have the capability or the time to become experts on all matters.
Yeah, this isn't emphasized enough. Unless I live forever, where will I get the time to have a working knowledge of everything? It's impossible. I don't care how smart you are.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 9:52 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:48 am to SlowEasyConfident
My only sibling died of an overdose . My disabled neighbor ( 450k house ) had me drive him to pick up his meds from his " doctor " in a withdrawal panic last month. Everything that doesn't gets bolted down in this country could be stolen at any given moment . The average life span for whites is actually decreasing .
I'd say it's a valid issue , virtues of the junkie notwithstanding.
I'd say it's a valid issue , virtues of the junkie notwithstanding.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yeah. It's not possible, let alone reasonable, which is why we have people who spend their lives becoming experts in very specific fields--like physicians.
yeah sure but that is only even possible by like the top 5-10% of IQ
plus it would be literally impossible to truly analyze the expertise required for all sorts of singular services/products in our lives
Besides, when it comes to things like surgery and operations, it's not like we have the time--if actually conscious--to research something that unexpectedly came up.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:49 am to OMLandshark
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Yeah, this isn't emphasized enough. Unless I live forever, where get the time to have a working knowledge of everything? It's impossible. I don't care how smart you are.
the most basic structure of society is "some people farm so there is now excess calories to distribute to our group, which frees up others in the group to develop skills in something other than finding caloric intake". the entire fabric of our advanced society requires the assumption (call it the social contract vol 2 if you must) that experts are good at their job and we don't need to waste our resources on being experts in everything
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:50 am to SlowEasyConfident
This is the modern day crack epidemic
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Nope. This whole notion has been refuted by cptbengal, therefore it is a "fail" argument and invalid.
that experts are good at their job and we don't need to waste our resources on being experts in everything
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:52 am to The Mad Fratter
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I'm saying if you want to stop bad enough you will whether or not you go to rehab or not.
Modern science and medicine disagree with you.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:57 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Yes, although demographics are a bit different.
This is the modern day crack epidemic
The major problem is that heroin is basically the most lethal and addictive, and worse yet, more lethal derivatives (Fentanyl) are being added, and they are factors more potent.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:00 am to The Mad Fratter
quote:I think the willpower to quit is almost a necessary condition, but with some of these drugs, in combination with the genetic predisposition to addiction, it's not a sufficient condition in and of itself without treatment.
I'm saying if you want to stop bad enough you will whether or not you go to rehab or not.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:00 am to buckeye_vol
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And in this case, it's not excuse that they are in excruciating pain, even if it is the result of a major accident and immediate surgery. They should be able to formulate an educated opinion while out cold during surgery.
Holy mother of strawmen, when you finish with the construction project let me know how many you feel became addicted to painkillers while "out cold during surgery" rather than due to long term abuse.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:00 am to Ace Midnight
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You understand how some (myself included) are able to draw a distinction between a person who goes out and voluntarily engages in recreational behavior that leads to a particularly bad addiction - then does little to fight it until he or she hits rock bottom, leaves a path of destruction and only THEN wants our sympathy and help when the party's finally over and a person who, under doctor's orders (often in a clinical, inpatient setting) develops a dependence on drugs and only then engages in antisocial behavior to feed this addiction? Can't you see this is a clear distinction?
No I don't. Both are equal. Both kept taking them because they liked how they made themselves feel and could have quit at any time if they really really really wanted to bad enough. You just have to wake up one day and decide to quit. Not saying it's easy. It's not easy at all. But I find "it was my doctors fault" to be so so lame.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:01 am to cave canem
quote:Huh? My post is in reference to the OP who said people should know the consequences of the medication beforehand. That's not always reasonable.
Holy mother of strawmen, when you finish with the construction project let me know how many you feel became addicted to painkillers while "out cold during surgery" rather than due to long term abuse.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:03 am to Queen
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had surgery a couple months ago and when I woke up they asked what my pain level was on a scale of 1-10. I told them a 6. They said "I don't believe you, it should hurt more." They gave me 20 oxycodone. I maybe took three. Had an ingrown toenail cut out and the doctor gave me 20 lortabs. I took two.
you had some very unusual doctors
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:04 am to boxcar willie
quote:Well yeah, but the "blame" game in this case is not very useful, especially since there are a bunch of factors.
But I find "it was my doctors fault" to be so so lame.
But with these types of drugs, willpower alone is not reasonable, and often not possible--especially since the effects of the drugs impair rational decision-making.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:06 am to boxcar willie
quote:Or maybe the poster has a inaccurate memory, since he/she was just coming out of surgery afterall.
you had some very unusual doctors
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