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re: Trump going after social conservatives again
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:28 am to cajunangelle
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:28 am to cajunangelle
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Pence announced a national complete abortion ban. So you are the 1% or so that votes for Pence in primary polls?
I would not support Pence, because he is a coward and is also a neocon.
To be fair, I don't want to just pick on Trump. He is still better than about 90% of Republicans, which to me just says how terrible the Republican party is right now.
I am not sure a federal abortion ban is something I am immediately interested in, as I would prefer to push for much more Federalism, and weaken the federal government down to a nub, and allow this and most issues to be state controlled.
However, murdering an individual is certainly a violation of a person's rights. So as long as we are going to have this big, bloated federal government, then yea we should stop murdering kids. Or how, can we at least not be forced to fund them with our tax money?
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Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:29 am to elprez00
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The overwhelming, and I mean overwhelming, number of abortions are simply because someone is too stupid to use some form of protection.
Which means a rape exception would only allow a very small number of abortions, which makes the exception less of a threat to your emotional thinking on the issue.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:30 am to elprez00
quote:Or because she considers abortion to be a perfectly-valid form of birth control.
The overwhelming, and I mean overwhelming, number of abortions are simply because someone is too stupid to use some form of protection.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
Do we kill the children of all rapists?
Seems like a barbaric punishment for someone who did nothing.
Put the kid up for adoption if someone raping you causes you to hate your child.
Seems like a barbaric punishment for someone who did nothing.
Put the kid up for adoption if someone raping you causes you to hate your child.
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 9:35 am
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:42 am to Adam Banks
quote:One cannot “punish“ a fetus any more than one can “punish“ a person in PVS.
barbaric punishment for someone who did nothing.
Without conscious awareness, there can be no “punishment.“
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:42 am to AggieHank86
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Hope this helps, Angus.
Piss off. You’re the poster boy for “The Conservative Case for selling your Soul”. You make David French look principled in comparison. Guys like you are why I left the GOP. Your whole platform is “ “Democrats, just slower”. You fight for nothing. You surrender on everything.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:49 am to burger bearcat
Trump is right. The GOPe leadership is either incompetent at best or used the abortion issue to manipulate voters. They had to have internal polling done on the issue. The pro-life politicians and organizations disappeared for Oz and Dixon. Was this on purpose? Why weren’t they advised to avoid it in areas that support exceptions?
Then we come back to mail in voting and ballot harvesting. Was abortion really an issue at all? Was legalized cheating the difference?
Then we come back to mail in voting and ballot harvesting. Was abortion really an issue at all? Was legalized cheating the difference?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:51 am to loogaroo
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Then we come back to mail in voting and ballot harvesting. Was abortion really an issue at all? Was legalized cheating the difference?
NAIL-meet-HAMMER
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:51 am to DesScorp
quote:Please link any post in which you contend that I have asserted myself to be a “conservative.“
You’re the poster boy for “The Conservative Case for selling your Soul”. You make David French look principled in comparison.
Thank you.
I stopped using even the term “small government conservative“ (in favor of “limited government advocate”) more than 20 years ago, because I did not want any chance of being associated with SoCon nitwits.
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 10:09 am
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:53 am to burger bearcat
Trump is absolutely right and I even predicted this.
They united a majority of women to not vote Democrat, but anti republican o er the abortion issue.
Timing for the S. Court on this was freaking terrible.
They united a majority of women to not vote Democrat, but anti republican o er the abortion issue.
Timing for the S. Court on this was freaking terrible.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:55 am to elprez00
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Be honest. How many legitimate instances of this exist? How many?
Cool, so you should be fine with this carve out if it's such a tiny percentage.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:01 am to AggieHank86
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One cannot “punish“ a fetus any more than one can “punish“ a person in PVS.
Without conscious awareness, there can be no “punishment.“
So are you cool stabbing a person in a coma? Your science is completely flawed, we have the technology now to see fetuses in the womb do all kinds of things like feel pain, etc. What is the optimum level of awareness a person needs to justify living? Does a 2 year old really understand the full extent of their personhood and existence?
Even Ian Kochinski (better known as Vaush), will completely concede that abortion is murder. He does not shy away from this, he even concedes that it is probably wrong to do it. He just comes at it from a left wing perspective that the mother has superior rights to the child. I don't agree with his views or stance, but I at least respect his willingness to observe the reality of the situation and not be a hypocrite about it.
My experience with most pro-abortionists, is they want to bend reality to make them feel better about what is actually happening. This is what makes this subject so difficult to debate. If we could all start from the same real premise, that abortion is indeed the "intentional killing or termination of a human fetus' life". That is simply what it is. From there, we can all ha e a debate when and how much of this is appropriate in our society, but the reality cannot change.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:04 am to Jcorye1
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Will you at least concede that an abortion post-rape is still just as much an abortion via convenience? And both are the intentional end to a unique human life?
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:14 am to burger bearcat
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Will you at least concede that an abortion post-rape is still just as much an abortion via convenience?
Sure.
If you want to call 160M+ voters hypocrites, go ahead. See how many elections that wins you
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:15 am to burger bearcat
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Will you at least concede that an abortion post-rape is still just as much an abortion via convenience? And both are the intentional end to a unique human life?
I mean an abortion is the ending of a potential baby. I think where I fundamentally disagree with you is a woman does not decide to be raped, and given the nature of the crime, asking someone to raise a child they were quite literally forced by rape into is a line for me.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:17 am to AggieHank86
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Without conscious awareness, there can be no “punishment.“
You forgot to add "IMO".
You have no idea what level of conscious awareness a baby inside the womb has.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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See how many elections that wins you
And still about the elections again. One thing I have learned, is that elections do not matter. The globalists will get their way no matter what. I am much more interested in changing ghe culture. This needs to start in the Church.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:20 am to AggieHank86
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I stopped using even the term “small government conservative“ (in favor of “limited government advocate”) more than 20 years ago, because I am a pretentious doosh-bag....
Fixed it, my brother....
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:21 am to Liberator
quote:He was working aginst the most politically malignant (frankly treasonous) IC in US history. Hoover would blush if he saw how corrupt today's FBI is.
(The idiot somehow neglected to secure Election Integrity in 4 Years of his presidency)
Having said that, elections are largely a states' rights issue. I'm genuinely curious. What would you have had Trump do to remedy the Covid heist?
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