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re: Trump Moves to Overturn Manhattan Conviction, Citing Immunity Decision
Posted on 7/1/24 at 8:58 pm to NashvilleTider
Posted on 7/1/24 at 8:58 pm to NashvilleTider
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Long shot, but I’d laugh for days if it got overturned
Is it a long shot?
The way I read the decision is that presidents can't be prosecuted for stuff they do in an official capacity.
The entire case in NY—assuming I understand it—rests on escalating the charges based on campaign finance laws.
If he's acting in the interest of his campaign, isn't that acting in an official capacity? It's certainly not acting in a personal capacity.
The court rejected the argument that he was acting in a personal capacity when they threw out the defense that he was paying the strumpet off to save his marriage, not his campaign.
Do they get to have it both ways?
I don't know.
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Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:07 pm to wackatimesthree
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If he's acting in the interest of his campaign, isn't that acting in an official capacity?
No
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It's certainly not acting in a personal capacity.
Candidates are individuals. Campaigns are for candidates.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:09 pm to stout
That might be a stretch, not sure how paying your personal lawyer for NDA falls under Official duties as POTUS
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:09 pm to wackatimesthree
Was there any evidence used during the trial that would no longer be admissible?
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:11 pm to Jbird
quote:It has notihing to do with that.
Meh depends on what is admissable assuming Fat Albert decides to go for a retrial.
quote:LIkely, but not because of presidential immunity. The case's legal basis is silly at best.
His shite is going to get over turned.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:13 pm to Taxing Authority
Correct it's shite.
The retrial will reduce admissable evidence and testimony.
The retrial will reduce admissable evidence and testimony.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:13 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:If so, POTUS2024 is acting in offical presidential capacity when he when he posts here.
If he's acting in the interest of his campaign, isn't that acting in an official capacity?
By Democrat logic, he could kill all of us and be immune. You've been warned.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:14 pm to TigerFanatic99
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Ordering the prideboys to hang Mike Pence because he believed it was necessary to enforce election security, sure
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:14 pm to Taxing Authority
Lol nice!
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:15 pm to Jbird
quote:That's possible. Hell, likely. But that will be by having a somewhat reasonable judge. Not this ruling.
The retrial will reduce admissable evidence and testimony.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:16 pm to stout
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Mr. Trump’s lawyers asked the judge, Juan M. Merchan, to postpone the July 11 sentencing while the judge weighs whether the Supreme Court ruling affects the conviction.
Judge Merchan's response will be:
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Candidates are individuals.
So?
The POTUS is an individual. Being an individual doesn't differentiate anything.
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Campaigns are for candidates.
He wrote the checks in 2017, when he was already into his first term.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I can't wait to read the briefs discussing how corporate payments for a "hush money" settlement were official acts of the President of the US.
I don’t think that’s the only issue. There was a lot of testimony during the trial that involved acts while Trump was president and those acts were never determined to fall under immunity or not. Forget the status of the acts, the fact that the Judge did not consider immunity seems to be a good basis for mistrial and a new trial, right?
Posted on 7/1/24 at 9:47 pm to stout
This dumb prosecutor needs to understand a conspiracy is a felony. One Trump wins he will get al the emails and details.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:15 pm to stout
One of the overall problems in the case, and a reason it will be overturned anyway, is that no one knows what underlying felony Trump committed to have the statue limitations extended and enhanced sentencing applied because the corrupt judge refused to have the jury state what crime/felony Trump was convicted of.
Because of that ruling by the fraudulent judge, this conviction should be immediately overturned because no one knows if the underlying felony that the jury relied on to make a misdemeanor a felony was something that Trump had immunity from. The judge/prosecution implied that one of the many underlying felonies the jury could convict or. was some sort of federal election interference that would be subject to the immunity decision.
Thanks to the judge's fraudulent jury instructions whereby the jury did not have to specify (or even come to a unanimous decision on), this case is dead in the water.
Having said that, I’m sure this piece of filth judge will refuse to even consider the motion.
Because of that ruling by the fraudulent judge, this conviction should be immediately overturned because no one knows if the underlying felony that the jury relied on to make a misdemeanor a felony was something that Trump had immunity from. The judge/prosecution implied that one of the many underlying felonies the jury could convict or. was some sort of federal election interference that would be subject to the immunity decision.
Thanks to the judge's fraudulent jury instructions whereby the jury did not have to specify (or even come to a unanimous decision on), this case is dead in the water.
Having said that, I’m sure this piece of filth judge will refuse to even consider the motion.
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 7/1/24 at 10:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I can't wait to read the briefs discussing how corporate payments for a "hush money" settlement were official acts of the President of the US
Tell us again SlowfrickingPinhead, exactly what statute was Trump convicted of that allowed for the prosecution to both extend the statute of limitations and make this misdemeanor a felony? How many jurors voted for that crime/conviction? When did it occur? Were those actions subject to immunity?
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