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Posted on 2/2/26 at 12:42 pm to tide06
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Israel has no oil.
I never said they did.
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If it’s all about oil and pipelines
I said oil and shipping lanes. Not pipelines.
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why wouldn’t we be best served by partnering with a pro west bin Salmon Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar
Because even if they are pro west, they're MORE pro Islam (Saudi Arabia is where Mecca is, for crying out loud.) They're not going to seriously go toe to toe with Iran like Israel will. To them Iran is a sectarian and geopolitical rival. To Israel, Iran is an immediate threat to survival.
Israel is useful in helping stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons; the other three are not. We get more useful military intelligence about that region from Israel than anyone else, and it's not close.
And besides, two things can be true at once. It's not either-or. We Do partner with Saudi Arabia. We're their top defense supplier right now, a major trading partner, and a source of oil for the US. Same with Qatar and UAE.
It's not unusual for a nation to have allies that don't get along. And if those three are so upset about Israel defending itself against Hamas that they can't work with us anymore because we support Israel, that should tell you something about how loyal they are to the US vs other Islamic nations.
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I don’t want any foreign nations influencing our politicians, elections or foreign policy.
All nations potentially influence our foreign policy in that we take their potential reactions into account when making decisions. This extends to individual politicians who have relationships with individual leaders in other countries. It's pretty much always been that way.
As for elections, what are we talking about? What evidence is there that Israel has influenced our elections?
This post was edited on 2/2/26 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 2/2/26 at 12:43 pm to Geekboy
Cucker Tarlson.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 12:44 pm to Bridget O
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Well he was attacked by a demon in his sleep. Woke up bloodied with scratches.
And what's crazy about it is that none of the four dogs he had in the bed with him made a sound during the attack.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 12:51 pm to Geekboy
Peak Tucker was his last year at Fox and his first year on YouTube. That two year time span he was at his best. His downslide has been unfortunate. On Fox, he was the only thing I'd watch. I DVR'd him every night to watch after the kids went to bed. That's why I don't point and laugh, because it's sad. I really did enjoy Good Tucker.
I think he's the kind of talent that needs guardrails, when left to his own devices with no boss or real producers to steer him, he is driving off a cliff.
I think he's the kind of talent that needs guardrails, when left to his own devices with no boss or real producers to steer him, he is driving off a cliff.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 12:51 pm to Geekboy
I love how triggered low information Fox News boomers are IRT Tucker.
They just regurgitate whatever slop Levin and Co pump out.
They just regurgitate whatever slop Levin and Co pump out.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 1:02 pm to LSUbest
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but now he works for Qatar
The people who are trying to make Qatar a thing generally are rabidly pro-Israel. They don't like competition for a US ally and/or proxy in the Middle East. The loss of US support would be an existential crisis for Israel, so the stakes are arguably high.
It presents a credibility problem when people who are so ideologically pro-Israel that that we could argue that they "work for Israel" are accusing others of "working for Qatar."
All I've seen Tucker Carlson do/say re Qatar is attend a conference, make a comment about "buying a house" there, and devoting part of a podcast to discussing the US relationship with Qatar.
Do you have copies of his bank statements and/or tax returns (or even entities connected to him) that would evidence such payments?
This post was edited on 2/2/26 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 2/2/26 at 1:03 pm to TigersHuskers
Dont be ignorant. No one watches Levin but Bongino and Hannity.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 1:05 pm to Geekboy
He clearly made some deals with Qatar and other islamic states.
You gotta do what you gotta do, but I'm just not going to watch him. To each his own
You gotta do what you gotta do, but I'm just not going to watch him. To each his own
Posted on 2/2/26 at 1:09 pm to Geekboy
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I used to be a fan of this idiot.
During the fox news V. Dominion lawsuit a bunch of his texts and emails came out where he was outright saying that he had to lie to all of the gullible right wing retards about the election or else they would start watching newsmax and other even more loony news channels.
The fact that any conservative / maga voter still listens to him is evidence of just how brain broken they all are.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 1:15 pm to wackatimesthree
Tucker has always been nothing but a media personality willing to assume any point of view that fuels his career.
It's amazing that some people haven't accepted the obvious...
Posted on 2/2/26 at 1:19 pm to wackatimesthree
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Israel has no oil.
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I never said they did.
Agreed. You said this was all about oil which is why I pointed out the obvious superiority of partnering with the nations who do rather than a tiny one who does not.
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shipping lanes
Are you suggesting Israel is going to sink ships off their coasts? If not what does Israel have to offer with regard to shipping lanes from a strategic partnership standpoint? No navy, no ports, no major commercial ports related to oil and commercial shipping.
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Because even if they are pro west, they're MORE pro Islam (Saudi Arabia is where Mecca is, for crying out loud.) They're not going to seriously go toe to toe with Iran like Israel will. To them Iran is a sectarian and geopolitical rival. To Israel, Iran is an immediate threat to survival.
Israel outside of intelligence ops has no ability to take out Iran militarily even if we agree that should be our primary focus in that region (I don't but set that aside). They cant even launch missiles or sustain their missile defense operations without our manufacturing and MIC.
On top of that we've given them $38B to exist and they've not provided us with so much as a single military base in region to operate from.
Meanwhile the largest AF base in the world is located in Qatar which we have exclusive rights to operate from and on top of that signed a $15B deal to purchase military equipment without requiring any aid from us.
So with a Qatar vs Israel comparison, leaving SA and the UAE out of it completely Israel costs us $38B and gives us nothing militarily after being caught giving our military tech to China starting in the 1990s while the UAE gives us a massive airbase to operate out of in region and pays us $15B over the same period.
military.com: Israel Accused of Giving US Tech to China
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In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade. More than 12 years ago the U.S. demanded Israel cancel a contract to supply China with Python III missiles, which included technology developed by the U.S. for its Sidewinder missiles, The Associated Press reported in 2002.
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Israel is useful in helping stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons
You think Saudi Arabia wants Iran to have nukes? They unequivocally do not. Theyve stated plainly that as soon as its shown they have one Saudi Arabia will launch their own nuclear weapons program as a counterbalance.
Israel again lacks the military capacity to do anything but provide us intel at their whim to interdict Iranian nuclear capabilities whereas Saudi has bases, regional influence and the ability to improve global oil supply stability in the case of any engagement between the US and Iran via OPEC.
Israel has none of that.
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And besides, two things can be true at once. It's not either-or. We Do partner with Saudi Arabia. We're their top defense supplier right now, a major trading partner, and a source of oil for the US. Same with Qatar and UAE.
Yes, as I stated the Saudis, UAE and Qatar have all partnered with us in spite of our partnership with Israel.
Meanwhile the Israeli alliance has caused us untold political issues with global partners, negatively impacted regional strategic policy and resulted in unrest throughout the region for my entire life. And again I ask the question... in return for what?
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All nations potentially influence our foreign policy in that we take their potential reactions into account when making decisions. This extends to individual politicians who have relationships with individual leaders in other countries. It's pretty much always been that way.
As for elections, what are we talking about? What evidence is there that Israel has influenced our elections?
Our house majority leaders top donor? AIPAC
Our presidents #3 donor? Adelson
AIPAC donated to how many national candidates in 2024?: 300+
What's the only nation allowed to directly donate to candidates? Israel via AIPAC
If money doesn't impact elections why are donations from overseas prohibited?
If money doesn't equate to election influence why do rich people give money to politicians at all.
Im not arguing we should be embrace an adversarial relationship with Israel.
I just want them out of our politics, out of DC, out of our strategic decision making and held accountable if their government was in fact running a global blackmail operation via Epstein using American underage girls.
This post was edited on 2/2/26 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 2/2/26 at 2:09 pm to tide06
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tide06
I had a long reply typed out and ended up losing it; I'm not going to do it again because I don't care about arguing with you that much. I will say two things:
1. Israel has nuclear weapons (albeit unofficially), and no other country over there does. That should answer many of the objections you are bringing up.
2. You are factually wrong about AIPAC. No foreign national (government or individual) is permitted to donate to any PAC, including that one, by federal law. It would be a FARA violation if they did. That is a US organization and only domestic organizations or US citizens may donate to it. Not to mention, many countries have their own version of the AIPAC. Off the top of my head, Japan, Taiwan, Ireland, S. Korea, India, and several more.
3. Finally, you're trivializing the amount of intel we get from Israel. Major General George J. Keegan Jr. is quoted as saying that if the United States had to gather on its own the intelligence that Israel provides, it would need to set up the equivalent of five separate CIA agencies.
This post was edited on 2/2/26 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 2/2/26 at 2:12 pm to Geekboy
Yeah, I've quit listening to him as well. Alot of the crap he says just doesn't make sense.
I agree, something is off about him
Saddens me that I have to agree with Mark Levin on this one
I agree, something is off about him
Saddens me that I have to agree with Mark Levin on this one
Posted on 2/2/26 at 2:21 pm to SHPMustang
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The people who are trying to make Qatar a thing generally are rabidly pro-Israel
I'm not. I only side with them as a nation because I'm rabidly anti-islam.
He sold his show to Qatar when he was there.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 2:25 pm to LSUbest
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I only side with them as a nation because I'm rabidly anti-islam.
That's funny given that Muslims are Israel's bioweapon against the West.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 2:47 pm to Tantal
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Muslims are Israel's bioweapon against the West.
Sane and logical.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 2:50 pm to 632627
It’s what, Iraq and what else? 
Posted on 2/2/26 at 3:06 pm to Tantal
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That's funny given that Muslims are Israel's bioweapon against the West.
I’d love to hear the explanation on this one.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 5:52 pm to 632627
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I’d love to hear the explanation on this one.
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