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Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:48 am to
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:48 am to
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Vegas Bengal talks out of both sides of her mouth.
Karla, I like men but I don't have a vag like you.
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I tried to have a discussion with her about how poorly the rollout of Obamacare was going, and she finally ended up saying that she wasn't much of an Obama fan.


You're lying again Karla. I've never once said "I'm not an Obama fan". However I have said I've never been a fan of Obamacare. I'm more of a single payer kinda guy.

Btw how's the hubby doing?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:51 am to
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To simply say that women earn 77% of what men earn, and strongly suggest that it's all due to gender discrimination, is deplorable. It fails to take in account that different jobs in different fields pay different

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Men one year out of college have better salaries than their female counterparts, even when they have the same majors and same jobs.

even according to that women's advocacy piece you linked, the vast majority of the 77/100 gap (more than 2/3 of it!) is explained by other factors.

using the 77% figure anyway is wrong- it's an exaggeration by at minimum a factor of 3.
Posted by The Calvin
Member since Jun 2013
5240 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:53 am to
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Our country is being run by a radical socialist!!


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Louisianians and their thoughts on Obama.



Would you expect anything less? Some simply don't care for him but don't hate him (me)

Some call him a communist, socialist, and compare him to hitler(many on this board)

Some even think he's the antichrist(youd be shocked how many refer to obama and "then end times")


Goddammit i love the south
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27900 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:18 pm to
Regardless, it's a myth that women earn less because they choose lower-paying careers.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27900 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:22 pm to
According to an August poll, 29% of Louisiana Republicans blame Obama for Hurricane Katrina response under Bush.

28% blamed Bush.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39059 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:47 pm to
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Would you expect anything less? Some simply don't care for him but don't hate him (me) Some call him a communist, socialist, and compare him to hitler(many on this board) Some even think he's the antichrist(youd be shocked how many refer to obama and "then end times") Goddammit i love the south


Well, since I probably qualify re the 'bolded'...I'll go on record and say that if OBAMA is the antichrist ...damn...what a letdown! As being the very epitome of the most cunning and sophisticated form of deception ever to walk the face of this Earth...my expectations of an 'antichrist' that would deceive "all but the elect"...were are tad higher than the bumbling Obama who has to have a 24-7 media or he'd be exposed as the worst fake to ever suck air.

Crap...bad enough that the grape juice is getting watered down by the day...now the frickin antichrist takes a hit! Glad I was born in '50!

Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:50 pm to
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it's a myth that women earn less because they choose lower-paying careers.

empirical evidence from your own link refutes that claim quite decisively.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49330 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 12:57 pm to
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Men one year out of college have better salaries than their female counterparts, even when they have the same majors and same jobs.


You need to read that study closer. According to that study, men tend to graduate with more employable degrees (engineering, business, computer systems), work more hours, and use their degrees in "for-profit" fields at a higher rate than women. When the study attempts to control for "all" variables (which it doesn't; it only controls for institution, degree, sector, and hours worked), the pay gap shrinks to 7% in the first year of employment.

The pay gap completely disappears between men and women with advanced degrees who work the same job.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:07 pm to
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the pay gap shrinks to 7% in the first year of employment.

even with that 6.6% they end up with in the report, there are still factors that they do not control for. this is notable because they acknowledge some of them in other places of the report, such as assertiveness at salary negotiation, as significant.

then again, it's pretty unrealistic to hold advocacy work up to actual rigorous standards anyway, so i don't even know why i bothered to point this out
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
50637 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:21 pm to
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it will become too late to do something about it.


What are you suggesting "America" do and when exactly is the deadline?
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27900 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:25 pm to
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empirical evidence from your own link refutes that claim quite decisively.


Well. This is... embarrassing.

Admittedly, I didn't read it as closely as I should have. Thanks for the lesson on my own link.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
22300 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:26 pm to
This is what the people wanted. Don't blame Obama. This was all right there in his books. Blame your fellow Americans.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27900 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:28 pm to
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the pay gap shrinks to 7% in the first year of employment.

Even if the number is closer to 93%, is that not significant? Less significant than 77%, sure, but not insignificant. I suppose if it goes back to Obama mentioning the 77% figure, that was untruthful.

I still don't think it's comparing apples to oranges, though.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:29 pm to
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Admittedly, I didn't read it as closely as I should have. Thanks for the lesson on my own link.



you seem like a reasonable person. the hell are you doing around these parts?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49330 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:33 pm to
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Even if the number is closer to 93%, is that not significant?


Well, it significantly reduces the gap when just the immediate measurable variables are accounted for. And again, it doesn't come close to accounting for all variables.

If 7% were the absolute correct answer, I would argue that it may be more than trivial but less than significant. But that isn't the case by the study's own admission.


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Less significant than 77%, sure, but not insignificant. I suppose if it goes back to Obama mentioning the 77% figure, that was untruthful.


Obama parrots talking points given to him and this particular completely false talking point has been in circulation for years. No reasonable person, once presented with actual evidence, takes it seriously.

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I still don't think it's comparing apples to oranges, though.


There are still a multitude of unaccounted for variables
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 1:35 pm to
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Even if the number is closer to 93%, is that not significant?

yes, it absolutely is. (although i do suspect that with everything controlled for properly, the difference is half of that or less- but that's still something.)

we do a great disservice to the policy discussion if we describe the size of the problem poorly on purpose though, because solutions need to be tailored to the actual problem.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
54229 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 2:03 pm to
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The administration initially lied about protection there.


Do you have any objective evidence to support your outrageously self-serving conclusory statement?

If so, please present it, so that we may more fully understand you.

If you cannot or will not support your lunatic ravings with objective evidence, then it's high time for you to STFU.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6364 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:04 pm to
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The problem is, IMHO, the US electorate rejects Constitutional Conservatism because the US electorate has changed. The US electorate now wants a welfare state and big, intrusive FedGov.

I think this is accurate and if the kind of immigration reform preferred by the radical progressives comes to fruition it may stay that way for the foreseeable future. It is terribly depressing.

Posted by nycajun
Nothin' could be finer.....
Member since Dec 2004
18183 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:08 pm to
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Our country is being run by a radical socialist!!


I'm not sure he has a unified philosophy about anything (except golf in Hawaii). There are, however, some similarities to Washington, D.C. in the 1980's, and Detroit more recently.....
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 1/29/14 at 4:18 pm to
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Obama is not a socialist - he is a communist.
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