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re: Water System Near Tampa Hacked
Posted on 2/9/21 at 7:05 am to Forever
Posted on 2/9/21 at 7:05 am to Forever
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work with sodium hydroxide in my business and it is some NASTY, dangerous stuff
I make soap and use it quite a bit. I have gotten very small amounts on my skin over the years and I can’t imagine how awful it would be to drink a significant amount.
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Posted on 2/9/21 at 7:08 am to ArHog
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Everything in our power and water infrastructure was retroconnected to the internet in the last 20 years without regard to what kind of damage remote accessibility in the wrong hands could lead to. It was only a matter of time.
Don't believe the crap from the main street media. On the first day of the Cyber Security IEEE Committee one of the Utility Engineers stated "We should connect everything to internet." Thank God for the manufacturers in the room .....we spent four hours telling the engineers why the entire system should not be on the internet.
You have to have an extensive knowledge of every device on the system and know the communications protocols to start taking down a power plant. It's far easier to visit a remote substation and shoot holes in things until the light go out. Far easier to knock down power poles or blow up tranmission towers.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 7:28 am to bluedragon
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Don't believe the crap from the main street media.
I've never once seen the "main street media" report on infrastructure vulnerability.
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On the first day of the Cyber Security IEEE Committee one of the Utility Engineers stated "We should connect everything to internet."
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Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said on Friday morning a plant operator at Oldsmar’s water treatment facility noticed someone remotely accessed the computer system he was monitoring. The computers are set up for allowing remote access to select people to troubleshoot problems, so the operator didn’t think much about the incident.
So the components may not be connected to the internet... only the computers used to actually, literally control the components. Got it.
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You have to have an extensive knowledge of every device on the system and know the communications protocols to start taking down a power plant.
None of these software products can be obtained overseas or even domestically via espionage for bad actors to dissect and learn to operate. Especially bad actor states like Russia, China, Iran, North Korea etc. who are known to employ entire cyber warfare divisions. Got it.
I'm glad you have this much trust in the system. Especially since...
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we spent four hours telling the engineers why the entire system should not be on the internet.
You spent that much time explaining to one small group something that should be sensible, but, apparently, other groups have decided to implement it anyway.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 7:32 am
Posted on 2/9/21 at 7:38 am to DingLeeBerry
Why the secret service?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 7:40 am to DingLeeBerry
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FBI is on the case.
Oh great I am sure they will find some racists Republicans.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 7:47 am to Big L
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Flew back from Tampa yesterday. There was a massive water main leak near the airport..now I’m wondering if it was intentional. I drank tons of tap water in our hotel for 3 days.
Tampa doesn’t use water treated by Oldsmar.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:01 am to Strannix
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The hacker could have changed the computer parameters but the dosing pumps in the system are not capable of a 100 fold increase in output.
Its like saying someone hacked my thermostat and turned it up to 11,000F
Strannix speaking truth here.
(It was probably China btw)
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:10 am to geaux88
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FBI is on the case.
Funny how they went from high regard to no regard in 20 years. Looking back, I am not sure they deserved any respect before 20 years ago. Richard Jewell, Clinton crimes, etc. 308s instead of real tapes. Destruction of evidence. Manufacturing of evidence.
They are nothing but a protection racket for the most corrupted in and around our government.
It is sad. They should be the front line of defense in protecting our constitution and nation.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:12 am to BillyGibbons
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Network Security 101: don’t do this unless you really know what you’re doing.
Rest assured the water system serving you does it.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:18 am to DingLeeBerry
Perhaps it's not a good idea to have the option to increase chemicals to deadly level in a water supply software, mmkay.
Also not a good idea to have partial votes.
Also not a good idea to have partial votes.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:19 am to sabanisarustedspoke
Had no idea they intentionally add lye to drinking water, even in low concentrations (although 100ppm doesn't seem that low to me).
That's enough justification to keep running all of the household drinking water through a 6 stage RO/DI unit (DI resin is changed as soon as it detects > 3ppm TDS)
That's enough justification to keep running all of the household drinking water through a 6 stage RO/DI unit (DI resin is changed as soon as it detects > 3ppm TDS)
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:39 am to bluedragon
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. Far easier to knock down power poles or blow up tranmission towers.
Of course. Or a suitcase of nuclear 'dirt' in a reservoir which feeds a city. Just think of a coordinated attack across the board. A 'Biblically Prophetic' nightmare; I.e., "a third shall die of the water".
The whole Urban idea wherein the Left imagines that concentrated and dependent populations are more easily controlled, is a ludicrous societal strategy. Cities are so vulnerable in so many ways, and the kind of dependent minded people that - in the current dynamic - would inhabit such, are essentially impossible to support. Even the Left's strategy to disperse these Urban populations into Suburbia, won't solve these vulnerability problems.
"Where there is no vision, my people die". When honest people lose faith in blatantly lying 'Leaders'...it's all downhill from there. MSM propaganda re "your lying eyes" bs nws.
Humanity living and learning. And moving toward the Fermi Paradox/Great Filter. At least for this particular (Parallel?) Universal Paradigm.
Astounding. Sobering. Incomprehensible. As beautiful and ugly as it gets.
Thank you Jesus.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:44 am to Big L
I drank tons of tap water in our hotel for 3 days.
I can’t remember the last time I drank tap water..... not judging you just a fact.
I can’t remember the last time I drank tap water..... not judging you just a fact.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:44 am to Strannix
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The hacker could have changed the computer parameters but the dosing pumps in the system are not capable of a 100 fold increase in output.
What are they capable of?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:01 am to DingLeeBerry
I have a relative in the Cyber Security field. He has been touting for at least 10 years that our utility infrastructures are begging for intrusion from hackers, foreign countries, etc. Advances are being made but archaic systems remain prominently in place in so many instances. 
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:02 am to DingLeeBerry
me chinese me play joke, me peepee in your drinking water
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:47 pm to dakarx
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Had no idea they intentionally add lye to drinking water, even in low concentrations (although 100ppm doesn't seem that low to me).
Apparently it's added to help fight decay in the piping.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:39 pm to moneyg
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What are they capable of?
Well you want the pump to operate accurately so it will be sized for resolution for fine tuning, so if its sized to dosage to bring it to 100PPM the rule of thumb is it would operate on the 0-200 PPM dosage range. These are small chemical pumps.
Whomever designed the system could give an accurate max assessment, lol but you aint adding enough NAOH to go to 11000PPM
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 2:41 pm
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