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re: Who here is a Democrat
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:33 am to Penrod
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:33 am to Penrod
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I'll exaggerate for clarity. If North America was populated by 100 people do you think they would need any stop signs?
That didn't clear anything up.
If you've got 15,000 people populating 10,000 square miles, with all the country roads and a few small towns will there be more stop signs per capita than a densely packed city?
I don't know but my intuition is the rural area would have more stop signs per capita.
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Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:33 am to Penrod
So you read a leftists every morning lol stop already you are not batting both sides you are a leftists I can see straight through you why play this game
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:35 am to Penrod
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Mostly folks on social media find some idiot actor, or buffoonish politician, and lampoon their stupid performances. That is funny,
But it's not.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:38 am to Robin Masters
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I think you are correct here. We are far too divided and are only knowing one another based upon our most cartoonish elements. The reality is both conservative values and liberal values are needed in a properly functioning society
I don't think we do need that why would we need that
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:41 am to Penrod
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He thinks Biden is doing a very good job and makes an excellent case for that.
if you are a leftist you support:
over taxation and regulation
no gun rights
loss of jobs
stupid faux climate science
stupid energy policies
open borders
no FAIR trade
abortion
mentally ill trans
groomers
pedos
frick THE COMMIES AND ALL THEIR ILK
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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hy has MAGA become so anti Conservative?
I don’t think MAGA was ever inherently conservative. I’m sure you will scoff but I think MAGA was born out of a disdain for government/corporate bullshite and control. It was the American spirit reflexively revolting against the contrived forces looking to manipulate our beliefs.
In sense MAGA has always been a counter culture movement and it will reject the same coercive elements of conservatism as it does leftism.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:43 am to Robin Masters
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The reality is both conservative values and liberal values are needed in a properly functioning society.
Liberal values are largely harmful, so I disagree here. I don't think it's absolute but I don't want some even split either, because the result sucks.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:44 am to Penrod
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And the people, like Bernie Sanders, who want big government are mostly motivated by good intentions. They want to take care of the poor and insure everyone against every contingency. They rarely understand that this demotivates most people and has an immiserating effect on everyone.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:46 am to Robin Masters
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The reality is both conservative values and liberal values are needed in a properly functioning society.
nah what we need is a national divorce. the left is verbal diarrhea spewing, emotions based, devoid of facts, with zero objectivity, perpsective or rationality. they can all go live in there own shitholes and GTFo of our lives. we do not need them. period.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:46 am to Clemson_all_in1979
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don't think we do need that why would we need that
Because traditionally liberal notions like empathy and compassion are necessary for a decent society. These are ideals espoused in the Bible quite prolifically, are you suggesting the Bible is unimportant?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:48 am to LSUSlidell23
I have no further use for Democrats. I’ve engaged them for 40 years. We used to disagree about the size and scope of government and dust ourselves off in the spirit of good will and mutual respect for our common American heritage . Now it is simply a radical anti American movement that opposes American traditions, principles, ideals and institutions. It is DEEPLY illiberal and Soviet in nature. I detest Democrats, their pathetic disregard for objective truth and seek only to defeat them. Appeals to decency, historical literacy, rational thought, common sense are pointless at this point.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:49 am to Flats
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Liberal values are largely harmful, so I disagree here. I don't think it's absolute but I don't want some even split either, because the result sucks.
I guess we’d have to define what liberal values are before we agree to disagree or not.
I’m thinking more in the classical sense like free speech, empathy, compassion, creativeness.
Conservative values are more traditional, private property, self defense, self reliance.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:52 am to Robin Masters
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Because traditionally liberal notions like empathy and compassion are necessary for a decent society.
Those aren't "liberal", they're moral and ethical and they're notions shared by the left AND right. The liberal action attached to those is "take money from one taxpayer and distribute it to another". The conservative action would be pulling out one's own wallet and/or supporting charities that vet the recipients.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:52 am to Fat Bastard
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nah what we need is a national divorce. the left is verbal diarrhea spewing, emotions based, devoid of facts, with zero objectivity, perpsective or rationality. they can all go live in there own shitholes and GTFo of our lives. we do not need them. period.
Your problem is with leftist/progressives/tyrants and I whole heartedly agree. But I also don’t really think those people are liberal.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:54 am to Penrod
Solid post, P. I read “God’s Politics” way back and your assessments are valid. Transnational Progressivism embodies the ideas of the Collectivist Ideology, and is virtually unstoppable given the overall dynamics. It’s all ultimately paradoxical and therefore impossible to define as subjectivity is the core principle.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:55 am to Flats
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Those aren't "liberal", they're moral and ethical and they're notions shared by the left AND right. The liberal action attached to those is "take money from one taxpayer and distribute it to another". The conservative action would be pulling out one's own wallet and/or supporting charities that vet the recipients.
Correct. My point is that those ideals are needed. You can call them what you want and quibble about whether they are liberal or conservative if you want but I think a consensus of people, if asked, would overwhelmingly put those characteristics on the same sides as I did.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:57 am to Penrod
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This is false. It’s like a leftist saying that Trump voters don’t care if he’s a NAZI; they will support him no matter what.
I don't think it's very false.
It may be false that they don't care at all what Biden does (as you can see in all the anti-Semitic demonstrations against the administration for not supporting them genocide of Jews), but I think it's true to the degree that no matter what Biden does they will still vote for him rather than any Republican, and they will vote against Trump no matter what.
And btw, what you said about "Trump supporters"—depending on what you mean by a "Trump supporter"—is also true. Don't you read this website?
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The truth is that as populations become denser they need more government
To that:
1. That is an opinion, not a fact
2. It all depends on what you mean by that
3. Even if we accept it as being valid, that doesn't mean we need more FEDERAL government
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And the people, like Bernie Sanders, who want big government are mostly motivated by good intentions
I'm highly skeptical of that opinion as well. You're talking about Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders who has engaged in questionable real estate deals, his wife has accepted "advances" for books she's never written, and who owns three homes. Oh, and who once called millionaire members of Congress "immoral," and now is one himself.
Maybe the pundits, but not the politicians. If you are correct and they ARE motivated by good intentions, they adhere to ideas that have been tried over and over an over and over and over without the results they claim they will produce. We're talking about almost 100 years worth of big government at this point.
So it doesn't really matter if your intentions are noble if you insist on proven failed policies.
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But saying things like, “They are all evil” is self-aggrandizing foolishness
Which of them disavow killing unborn children, encouraging children to undergo medical procedures and treatments that will almost certainly lead to serious health problems later in life, and exposing children to pornography in public elementary and junior high school libraries?
Give me that list and I will make notable exceptions from now on when mentioning them as a group.
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 9:05 am
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:58 am to Raz
We disagree with them, they hate us
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:59 am to Robin Masters
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I think a consensus of people, if asked, would overwhelmingly put those characteristics on the same sides as I did.
And if you asked that same group what empathy and compassion looked like their first answer would overwhelmingly be government programs. It's not the value that people disagree over, it's how that value is expressed.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:01 am to wackatimesthree
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This is false. It’s like a leftist saying that Trump voters don’t care if he’s a NAZI; they will support him no matter what. I don't think it's very false. It may be false that they don't care at all what Biden does (as you can see in all the anti-Semitic demonstrations against the administration for not supporting them genocide of Jews), but I think it's true to the degree that no matter what Biden does they will still vote for him rather than any Republican, and they will vote against Trump no matter what.
I think the distinction here is that Trump supporters don’t care if the establishment repeatedly labels Trump a Nazi.
The main theme of MAGAism is a rejection of the establishment so of course if the establishment says Trump is a Nazi, we don’t give a frick.
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 9:01 am
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