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re: Who here is a Democrat
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:47 am to Flats
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:47 am to Flats
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Again, you're assuming identical services. A water treatment plant is NOT less expensive than a well, per capita. I'm talking about reality, and the reality is that densely populate urban areas are far more reliant in their day to day life on government services than some rancher in Wyoming.
Nobody is arguing that a rancher in Wyoming needs more gov't than a guy living in a city.
Again, 82% of the American population is serviced by water from 8% of the water treatment plants out there. That tells me that the vast majority of Americans do not live like the rancher in Wyoming.
quote:
Do you really not agree with this?
I think the real discussion is about the premise. I'm not suggesting that Mud Hill, SD (population 12) needs more government per capita than NYC. What I'm saying makes sense to me (intuitively) is that once you cross the threshold (whatever it is) where a well, septic and volunteer fire department are no longer adequate, municipal/infrastructure costs go down as population density goes up.
Let me put it this way - why does a city of 1 million people packed in tight need more government per capita than than a city of 100,000 not nearly as densely populated?
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Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:47 am to BBONDS25
quote:
Condescending faux intellectual.
Yup...this idiot is driven by pure Narcissism...he lives in a fantasy world.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:48 am to roadGator
No & No
No uterus = no pregnancy
No uterus = no pregnancy
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:50 am to heymama
quote:If you listen, people will normally tell you their true intentions. Biden talks about "building back better". Why would one need to build back? Because things were destroyed. If your house is destroyed, you need to build back. Otherwise you call it a "remodel".
Keep fearing the “they/them” boogie monster that the msm planted in your head
The democrats intend to destroy America as we know it and their actions show this.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:56 am to RollTide71
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:56 am to oogabooga68
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by oogabooga68
Oh the drama and fear tactics, it’s exhausting…and sad.
Your hyperbole is only scary to those dumb enough to believe the lies you have been fed.
And I feel bad for those of you who believe the propaganda that msm is feeding you on both sides.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:57 am to David_DJS
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municipal/infrastructure costs go down as population density goes up.
Nobody was discussing costs until you introduced it, we were just talking about less or more government. A person can spend more than they might in taxes to live on 1000 acres largely off the grid. He's paying more but he has less government in his life.
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why does a city of 1 million people packed in tight need more government per capita than than a city of 100,000 not nearly as densely populated?
You're still focusing on per capita costs, I think. Nobody has argued that scale doesn't impact costs.
To answer your question in raw terms of more or less government, if the city of 100,000 has residential septic systems that's less government. If they have wells that's less government. If they're not incorporated (which is very common as density decreases) they'll have county commissioners/sheriff instead of having county government functions PLUS city governments with a separate mayor, police, etc.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:57 am to trussthetruzz
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Anyone but Trump. They dgaf about what Biden does
Lots of people will take this attitude, which is voting purely out of selfish, emotional spite. Way to be a psychotic child, America.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:07 am to heymama
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to believe the lies you have been fed.
So the border isn't wide open?
The Biden Administration isn't actively pushing to prevent Texas from fighting the invasion?
The Democrats aren't currently encouraging Tranny nonsense?
Okay....
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:09 am to Vacherie Saint
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Anyone but Trump. They dgaf about what Biden does
Lots of people will take this attitude, which is voting purely out of selfish, emotional spite.
Correct. But voting for Trump over a more conservative candidate fricks us all over. Enjoy your socialism lite.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:17 am to trussthetruzz
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Anyone but Trump. They dgaf about what Biden does
They don't care if Biden knows who Biden is or not.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:39 am to Flats
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Nobody was discussing costs until you introduced it
I think it's logical to put the size of government in terms of costs. Broadly, it's fair to say more government means more spending.
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To answer your question in raw terms of more or less government, if the city of 100,000 has residential septic systems that's less government. If they have wells that's less government.
How many cities of 100,000 are all septic and private wells? That's an honest question. It can't be many if it's accurate that 82% of Americans or on the largest 8% of municipal systems.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:54 am to David_DJS
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I think it's logical to put the size of government in terms of costs.
Ok, but that wasn't your initial objection. I went back to look to see where there might be a disconnect, and this was your first objection:
quote:
The truth is that as populations become denser they need more government
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Why?
And government doesn't have to cost a lot to be intrusive, nor is cost necessarily a reflection of how much a person depends on it. If you wanted to get permission to build an outbuilding on your property, would you rather live in a city of 6 million or a city of 60,000?
The other part of this answer is to simply look at real world results. By looking at a voting map you can pick out any metro area in a state that's largely red without knowing anything else about the state in question. I think it's a cause/effect thing. Higher density necessitates more government, which you've already acknowledged, and that makes people comfortable and reliant on it, whatever the level of government may be. They begin to look to government as the first solution no matter what the problem is, and that's reflected in their voting.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 2:37 pm to Flats
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Ok, but that wasn't your initial objection. I went back to look to see where there might be a disconnect, and this was your first objection:
I wasn’t objecting to anything. My intuition tells me that “how many stop signs would you need if there were 10 people in the country” (Penrod) isn’t an explanation for why increasing population density drives a need for more government and I was trying to see if there’s anything more than guesses behind the statement.
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And government doesn't have to cost a lot to be intrusive, nor is cost necessarily a reflection of how much a person depends on it. If you wanted to get permission to build an outbuilding on your property, would you rather live in a city of 6 million or a city of 60,000?
We’re talking about “how much government” not intrusiveness and I think there’s a definite correlation between “how much government” and “how much money does government spend”.
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question. I think it's a cause/effect thing. Higher density necessitates more government, which you've already acknowledged,
I haven’t acknowledged that. It’s what we’re discussing.
Why doesn’t it stand to reason that if you “govern” a million people spread out over 10 square miles there are efficiencies in capex/opex in comparison to the same million people spread out over 250 square miles? And if I’m wrong about there being efficiencies, what’s driving inefficiencies that make the statement population Density drives the need for more government?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 2:54 pm to Penrod
Nimrod, go read Saul Alinsky’s teachings while your at it that make great cases for communism and Marxism.
Feed your pee-brain with more nonsense.
Your comment about inflation coming way down, do you really believe yourself?
INFLATION is killing middle America.
Welfare checks are raising but salaries aren’t matching the inflation.
They are buying off the low life’s to soften the blow.
And we are spending Half a Trillion every year on illegals, but yeah, let’s keep bringing more in!
There is NOTHING BIDEN HAS DONE TO HELP THIS COUNTRY!
What’s that idiots view on Bidens world peace policies?
ONE SIMPLE FACT about Trump versus all modern day past and current presidents, they are controlled by the MIC, War Mongers!
Why don’t you take yourself and your fellow idiots and go volunteer with the Army, go fight these wars you clown!
Maybe they can put you in the Tranny Tent? I’m sure you’d like that!
Feed your pee-brain with more nonsense.
Your comment about inflation coming way down, do you really believe yourself?
INFLATION is killing middle America.
Welfare checks are raising but salaries aren’t matching the inflation.
They are buying off the low life’s to soften the blow.
And we are spending Half a Trillion every year on illegals, but yeah, let’s keep bringing more in!
There is NOTHING BIDEN HAS DONE TO HELP THIS COUNTRY!
What’s that idiots view on Bidens world peace policies?
ONE SIMPLE FACT about Trump versus all modern day past and current presidents, they are controlled by the MIC, War Mongers!
Why don’t you take yourself and your fellow idiots and go volunteer with the Army, go fight these wars you clown!
Maybe they can put you in the Tranny Tent? I’m sure you’d like that!
Posted on 1/23/24 at 2:59 pm to Penrod
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But saying things like, “They are all evil” is self-aggrandizing foolishness. They are just like us:
Wrong. They are not just like us. They blindly follow their leadership. Those in charge are extremists…period.
Therefore, they support extremists.
You have been duped.
Congratulations I guess.
The communazis are evil, and they run the Democratic Party.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 6:54 am
Posted on 1/23/24 at 3:02 pm to LSUSlidell23
I'm hoping it was like this:
2016-2020, for the most part: things were good (besides people getting their feelings hurt). People had money in their pockets. It was easier to vote on more social issues like "save democracy" and "BLM".
2021-Today: Things have been tougher on people's wallets and they have to NOW make a decision based on what is good for their families their neighborhoods....which means "save democracy" and "BLM" go down to the bottom of the "things that are important" list.
Im sincerely hoping.
2016-2020, for the most part: things were good (besides people getting their feelings hurt). People had money in their pockets. It was easier to vote on more social issues like "save democracy" and "BLM".
2021-Today: Things have been tougher on people's wallets and they have to NOW make a decision based on what is good for their families their neighborhoods....which means "save democracy" and "BLM" go down to the bottom of the "things that are important" list.
Im sincerely hoping.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 3:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:It ends up coming down to who has the best propagandists.
Progressives are populists, like MAGA.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 3:10 pm to LSUSlidell23
quote:
Who here is a Democrat(?)
"Get him up against the wall"
Posted on 1/23/24 at 3:10 pm to 6R12
quote:Of course not. They are getting their agenda implemented unabated. There is no need to care about the figurehead.
They don't care if Biden knows who Biden is or not.
Trump OnlyFans are the opposite. Don’t care if the agenda get enacted, just care that Trump “wins”.
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