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re: Why are documents from WW2 still classified?
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:24 pm to LookSquirrel
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:24 pm to LookSquirrel
And JFK’s assassination?
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Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:36 pm to LookSquirrel
Time and money is the simple answer.
Clinton actually was the first president to require automatic declassification of documents over 25 years old unless exempted from declassification under a couple key conditions:
LINK
The reality is nobody wants to pay for a crapload of TS/SCI clearance folks to vet 70 year old documents.
I can imagine the optics on a board like this if the government put a line item budget to hire a couple hundred Executive branch workers (Where declassification falls) to "Declassify WW2 Era documents" in the budget. The tinfoils would be fricking off the chart.
Clinton actually was the first president to require automatic declassification of documents over 25 years old unless exempted from declassification under a couple key conditions:
LINK
The reality is nobody wants to pay for a crapload of TS/SCI clearance folks to vet 70 year old documents.
I can imagine the optics on a board like this if the government put a line item budget to hire a couple hundred Executive branch workers (Where declassification falls) to "Declassify WW2 Era documents" in the budget. The tinfoils would be fricking off the chart.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:59 pm to LookSquirrel
I’m sure it’s some version of “it’s not a war crime if you win”.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:14 pm to genuineLSUtiger
True statement, the Federal Reserve Act is the foundation, the pilings and the walls of modern day bondage that we are having to battle thru just to make ends meet. It’s an interest driven vehicle that controls everything.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:47 pm to LookSquirrel
My Dad was a WWII navy vet, and a engineer in the space program. With papers, photos, and Navy records I found after he died, and the aid of the internet I discovered he was involved in the atomic bomb testing after WWII. Even though everything he was involved in had been in the public domain for decades before he died he never said a word simply because he was never officially told he could.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:31 pm to LookSquirrel
Because the whole setup of bringing the USA into the mix would be revealed.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:32 pm to LookSquirrel
Look up Unit 731 and Operation Paperclip. That information leaked, and there’s probably a shite ton else we don’t know about.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:40 pm to LookSquirrel
From a technology standpoint I can't see anything still being classified EXCEPT maybe cryptology stuff (NSA likes to keep their crypto tech classified, even really old stuff. They actually have classified mathematics, lol).
Even information concerning sources and methods should probably be declassified. None of those people are still alive and Germany is no longer an enemy anyway (so it's not like we're concerned about giving up secrets to Germany).
It could be that we still use the same "techniques" when it comes to human intelligence, so maybe they can make that argument.
But, yeah, I don't see there being much of a reason to keep much of anything classified at this point.
Even information concerning sources and methods should probably be declassified. None of those people are still alive and Germany is no longer an enemy anyway (so it's not like we're concerned about giving up secrets to Germany).
It could be that we still use the same "techniques" when it comes to human intelligence, so maybe they can make that argument.
But, yeah, I don't see there being much of a reason to keep much of anything classified at this point.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:49 pm to ob1pimpbobi
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I think the machine they made to break the Nazi code is still a classified piece.
I thought they captured an Enigma with its code book.
Not McCaughaney's movie version but the Brits Navy.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:56 pm to LookSquirrel
The government does not want to reveal that we basically took in all the high level Nazis after the war and gave them high ranking positions in exchange for their technology. Nazis won the space race. Nazis helped form and run the CIA. Through Operation Paperclip, we essentially gave Nazis control over America's Military Industrial Complex. Wonder why the neo-cons and leftists behave like Nazis? It's because they literally are, whether they know it or not. Their mentors and bosses are/were all either Communists or Nazis, two sides of the same evil socialist coin.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:56 pm to STLDawg
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I’m sure it’s some version of “it’s not a war crime if you win”.
Supposedly General LeMay said something to this effect firebombing wooden structured cities like Tokyo with incendiaries.
I get it. Not dissing our guys. War is hell and I was not there.
Read With the Old Breed and you will understand why no quarter was given.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:59 pm to kingbob
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The government does not want to reveal that we basically took in all the high level Nazis after the war and gave them high ranking positions in exchange for their technology. Nazis won the space race. Nazis helped form and run the CIA. Through Operation Paperclip, we essentially gave Nazis control over America's Military Industrial Complex. Wonder why the neo-cons and leftists behave like Nazis? It's because they literally are, whether they know it or not. Their mentors and bosses are/were all either Communists or Nazis, two sides of the same evil socialist coin.
Yep, as Carlin put it:
It is still currently relevant much more so than anything we did in WWI.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 11:11 pm to kingbob
Don’t forget that the world we live in today is a direct result of deals we made with Russia at the end of the war. Patton was furious that we stood down and let them take capital after capital in Eastern Europe. Those countries begged us for help and we did nothing because we agreed not to interfere.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 11:12 pm to jamboybarry
Post of the year. 
Posted on 8/16/22 at 11:42 pm to Stealth Matrix
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WW2 is the foundation myth of our modern world, when you really think about it.
And most of what Americans believe about WW2 is bullshite propaganda.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 11:44 pm to TrueTiger
Allied forces deliberately firebombed civilians on a scale equal to what was done by the Nazis.
And WW2 was just the West committing suicide.
Any American who still believes in the Saving Private Ryan bullshite is a tard.
And WW2 was just the West committing suicide.
Any American who still believes in the Saving Private Ryan bullshite is a tard.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 11:47 pm to LookSquirrel
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sources and methods
Probably this. This is usually why shite is classified to begin with.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 2:49 am to sta4ever
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Can’t let the public knew that we knew of the atrocities committed by the USSR since we backed them in the war
Hmm, LeMay, Napalm, Tokyo ring a bell.....
Posted on 8/17/22 at 3:37 am to Sneauxghost
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I’ve read investigation reports indicating Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen to generate support from the people for getting involved. Up to that point it seems the people wanted to sit that war out. I don’t know how true but it makes sense.
The world was at war long before the US entered it. Japan was raping chini and the US set up an embargo to starve them of war supplies, fuel, etc. They had no choice but to attack the US, we knew this, we were monitoring their code.
Ask yourself this. Pearl Harbor was built to have a line of defense far from the US mainland. A "defense" is the key word. We know they will attack us, its their only option after the embargo took effect. Suddenly they have radio silence, and no one can find their fleets. We even spotted them before the attack and it was "ignored" by DC. Yet on the day of attack, when we know its imminence, when we should be fully prepared.......NOT ONE SINGLE AIRCRAFT CARRIER WAS AT THEIR HOME BASE TO DEFEND IT.
This is the same country that started "officially" working on the B29 bomber....in 1938, three years before Pearl Harbor. A project that cost more than the atomic bomb program. A plane that was designed for a 3000 mile trip, because they felt, by the time the US entered the war, England would have fallen, all of Europe would be Nazi territory, and we would have to use the US as a primary base for bombing Europe. Yet we didnt have the foresight to see an imminent attack a few weeks in advance, nor prepare for it in any way??????
Posted on 8/17/22 at 7:20 am to Sneauxghost
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I’ve read investigation reports indicating Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen to generate support from the people for getting involved. Up to that point it seems the people wanted to sit that war out. I don’t know how true but it makes sense.
You're correct. I think it pretty clear that Roosevelt knew about the Japanese plans. I imagine there are more embarrassing things that that the government doesn't want out in the open.
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