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re: Why do American Christians support Israel?
Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:59 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:59 am to FooManChoo
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agree. My comment was about a secular or atheistic worldview that is common in the fields of science. Christians can and do use science as a tool all the time.
Christianity launched the scientific revolution. We should thank early Christians for science. In fact as science advances it points to what Christians have always known, there is a creator.
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 10:02 am
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Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:06 am to TK421
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What you are describing is not science. You do not start with a conclusion and mold evidence to support it.
Sounds like any random biology textbook talking about evolution.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:07 am to TK421
quote:You're right that godly men can have different conclusions, but you asked about my understanding of Hebrew (I assume with the intent to either lob an ad hominem attack or resort to an appeal to authority fallacy). My beliefs are based on a consistent reading of scripture where I use scripture to interpret scripture. The moment we start interpreting scripture based on humanistic worldviews and understandings of the universe, we begin to undermine the authority of scripture.
Plenty of Godly men came to a different conclusion. You picked your basis for a worldview on preconceived notions and reject all evidence to the contrary.
quote:The data is the data, but data (and facts) are not brute; they must be interpreted. Our starting points are based on our worldviews and presuppositions, and those things dictate how each and every one of us approaches the data and influences the conclusions we make based on the data.
The data is the data. What you are describing is not science. You do not start with a conclusion and mold evidence to support it. This is the reason creationists are not taken seriously.
quote:There is clear teaching of the beginning of the created universe in the Bible.
There is no clear teaching of the history of the universe or the world in the Bible. The fact that everything you believe is constantly undermined by scientific inquiry should illuminate that point rather than cause you to dig in further.
Whether you think that orthodox Christian theology is undermined by secular humanism is of no concern to me.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:08 am to ctiger69
quote:100%
Christianity launched the scientific revolution. We should thank early Christians for science. In fact as science advances it points to what Christians have always known, there is a creator.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:19 am to FooManChoo
Christians have a justification that satisfies the preconditions of intelligibility and uniformity in logic, science, nature, and morality.
The life of an atheist is ridiculed with inconsistency. They argue that the world happened just by chance but then turn around and look for regularities, law like explanations for events, and uniformity or predictability in things studied by natural science. The unbeliever does not have a workable world view and he exposes its weakness at every turn in his life.
The life of an atheist is ridiculed with inconsistency. They argue that the world happened just by chance but then turn around and look for regularities, law like explanations for events, and uniformity or predictability in things studied by natural science. The unbeliever does not have a workable world view and he exposes its weakness at every turn in his life.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:22 am to ctiger69
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The life of an atheist is ridiculed with inconsistency. They argue that the world happened just by chance but then turn around and look for regularities, law like explanations for events, and uniformity or predictability in things studied by natural science. The unbeliever does not have a workable world view and he exposes its weakness at every turn in his life.
This doesn't necessarily have to be true.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:25 am to Craig86
quote:wow you figured it out. I could not give a shite less about what religion they are it’s the fact they aren’t decapitating each other, oppressing women, murdering gays, and wishing the death to my country.
From a military standpoint it makes perfect sense due to the fact that it is beneficial to have a westernized country in the Middle East.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:40 am to FooManChoo
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It's not science I have a problem with, but the secular and atheistic worldviews that are prevalent within those fields that interpret the evidence according to their worldviews rather than from a Christian or biblical worldview.
This is how you get a replica ark in Kentucky with dinosaurs on it
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:44 am to ctiger69
quote:Amen and amen.
Christians have a justification that satisfies the preconditions of intelligibility and uniformity in logic, science, nature, and morality.
The life of an atheist is ridiculed with inconsistency. They argue that the world happened just by chance but then turn around and look for regularities, law like explanations for events, and uniformity or predictability in things studied by natural science. The unbeliever does not have a workable world view and he exposes its weakness at every turn in his life.
Spoken like a true Van Tilian
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:46 am to Esquire
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This is how you get a replica ark in Kentucky with dinosaurs on it
This is how you ignore the behemoth of Job 40.
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 10:48 am
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:49 am to Esquire
quote:You say that as if it's a bad thing
This is how you get a replica ark in Kentucky with dinosaurs on it
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:50 am to ctiger69
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Christianity launched the scientific revolution. We should thank early Christians for science. In fact as science advances it points to what Christians have always known, there is a creator.
Christians launched the enlightenment at a time when everyone in Europe was a Christian. And this came long after, and built upon, previous enlightenments from many non-Christian cultures.
To give the religion credit for the enlightenment is nonsensical.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:55 am to Roger Klarvin
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To give the religion credit for the enlightenment is nonsensical.
I mean, our intellectual geniuses have been blaming Christianity for the dark ages for at least the last fifty years.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:58 am to squid_hunt
Which is equally non-sensical. The dark ages were precipitated by the fall of the Roman Empire and the dissolution of its former provinces and territories. Moreover, the dark ages is a bit of a misnomer as the cultural and scientific “darkness” of this period is greatly exaggerated.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:00 am to FooManChoo
quote:No, it's not.
It is - it is in question.
quote:I do not reject this.
Likewise, you can reject that God created humanity
quote:So, you reject lots of science, not just evolution.
but I believe it to be in the thousands or tens of thousands, not millions or billons of years.
You do realize that science and God are not counter to one another, right? If your preacher told you that, you should find another Church.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:01 am to ctiger69
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Christians have a justification that satisfies the preconditions of intelligibility and uniformity in logic, science, nature, and morality.
The life of an atheist is ridiculed with inconsistency. They argue that the world happened just by chance but then turn around and look for regularities, law like explanations for events, and uniformity or predictability in things studied by natural science. The unbeliever does not have a workable world view and he exposes its weakness at every turn in his life.
For the sake of argument, let’s say I grant you all the premises presented here. I could spend hours pointing out how they are incorrect, and have before, but let’s just say they are all true. That still says nothing whatsoever about the truth/validity of the claims themselves.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:04 am to FooManChoo
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My beliefs are based on a consistent reading of scripture where I use scripture to interpret scripture
You have no way of knowing this objectively because you are dependent on someone else's interpretation and translation.
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Whether you think that orthodox Christian theology
What is the orthodox christian teaching about the history of the universe? Christian Orthodoxy didn't start in Alabama in 1950.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:07 am to TK421
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You have no way of knowing this objectively because you are dependent on someone else's interpretation and translation.
This is nonsense. Because you can't read the original languages in the original dialect, you're working with a false interpretation?
Do you understand the implications of what you just said with regard to science? Unless you read every single published document and perform every single lab and document every single result yourself, you can't possibly understand what is going on with the research. And God forbid it be published in a foreign language.
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 11:08 am
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:28 am to AlxTgr
quote:Yes, it is. I can do this all day.
No, it's not.
quote:That's an interesting take on creation, then. Please explain your view of creation.
I do not reject this.
quote:I don't reject "science" at all. I reject conclusions that run contrary to God's truth that are based on interpretations which are derived from humanistic, materialistic worldviews.
So, you reject lots of science, not just evolution.
quote:I do realize this, yes. Science is a tool that is used by Christians and non-Christians alike.
You do realize that science and God are not counter to one another, right? If your preacher told you that, you should find another Church.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:36 am to Mo Jeaux
Mo Jeaux That is because you seem not to read it?
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