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re: Why do you play the 2 party game?
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:19 am to troyt37
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:19 am to troyt37
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Advocating third party solutions to the detriment of the only party that possibly stands in the way of socialist democrat destruction? Yeah, that furthers their agenda.
Who is advocating third party solutions?
quote:Yes, if your plan is to continue to play the establishment game, then that is your only solution.
the only real opposition to the socialist democrats, which is the republican party. Reality.
But understand that your solution is exactly the conclusion the establishment wants you to draw, and in doing so only the establishment wins....again.
So keep doing the same thing over and over and over again, and expect a different result. Brilliant.
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Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:27 am to Landmass
I love it when libertarians post on social media in a way that makes them look above the fray. They trot out their beliefs as if they have some secret knowledge only they possess, bitching about the problems of things such as a two-party system but never offering any real solutions. Carey Wedler is a great example of this. She has a superiority complex, too, yet offers nothing but grievances.
The day a libertarian can intelligently explain to me how we are going to dramatically reduce the size of government in this political climate, and without the use of armed revolution, I will be more open to their ideas.
The day a libertarian can intelligently explain to me how we are going to dramatically reduce the size of government in this political climate, and without the use of armed revolution, I will be more open to their ideas.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 11:29 am
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:28 am to TX Tiger
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Who is advocating third party solutions?
Just come out with your solution already. I have no interest in exchanging weiner yanks with you for hours.
How do you propose defeating the establishment, both republican and democrat in one fell swoop, so that you don't destroy the country in the process of saving it? We both know how it should be, but we can wish, and sprinkle fairy dust, and sacrifice a thousand virgins, but that doesn't make the way it should be, the way it is.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:35 am to RollTide1987
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I love it when libertarians post on social media in a way that makes them look above the fray. They trot out their beliefs as if they have some secret knowledge only they possess, bitching about the problems of things such as a two-party system but never offering any real solutions. Carey Wedler is a great example of this. She has a superiority complex, too, yet offers nothing but grievances.
The day a libertarian can intelligently explain to me how we are going to dramatically reduce the size of government in this political climate, and without the use of armed revolution, I will be more open to their ideas
The first step has already been mentioned. Term limits at the federal level.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:39 am to MoneyShot
I play the two party game because my wife has rejected the notion of a threesome, unless it is with Kat Timpf.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:42 am to MoneyShot
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The first step has already been mentioned. Term limits at the federal level.
Yeah...this is what I'm talking about. Pipe dreams that sound good on paper and on YouTube, but pipe dreams nonetheless. Use your head. Do you actually believe Congress will pass term limits on itself?
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:57 am to TX Tiger
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Who is advocating third party solutions?
Uh, you might want to read the title of this thread.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 11:59 am to moneyg
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This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 10:46 am
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:00 pm to RollTide1987
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Do you actually believe Congress will pass term limits on itself?
If it were impossible, 15 states wouldn't have already done so. If we can manage to get enough conservatives rather than republicans elected to the legislature, term limits can happen.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:16 pm to troyt37
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If it were impossible, 15 states wouldn't have already done so.
There's a big difference between a state legislature and the U.S. Congress. For starters...one is a part-time job, while the other has become a full-time career with a salary, full benefits, and a generous retirement package.
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If we can manage to get enough conservatives rather than republicans elected to the legislature, term limits can happen.
All who gain power are afraid to lose it. This is also true for conservative lawmakers.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:21 pm to dixiechick
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The problem is SOME people still can’t identify establishment candidates and continue to blindly push the button for Establisment R over establishment D thinking that they are getting a candidate who( as the OP stated 1) isn’t going to grow government 2) isn’t going to support legislation to limit individual freedoms.
That isn't necessarily true. The list of elected conservatives who went to Washington, only to become republicans is a long and distinguished one. Then you have those who have no problem distinguishing between a republican and a conservative, but that isn't the choice they are given. They are given a choice between a shitty republican, and a socialist democrat. What are they to do, vote for socialism?
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:38 pm to troyt37
Here is a really easy solution. All GOP primaries for the House involve debates on their district's local TV stations.
Just ask a simple question: "If you are elected will you support a bill establishing term limits?"
If they say 'yes' and then win and then vote against term limits then they have created a TV commercial for their opponent in the next election.
If they say 'no' they will lose in their first try.
Just ask a simple question: "If you are elected will you support a bill establishing term limits?"
If they say 'yes' and then win and then vote against term limits then they have created a TV commercial for their opponent in the next election.
If they say 'no' they will lose in their first try.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:45 pm to troyt37
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This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 10:45 am
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:52 pm to Zach
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If they say 'yes' and then win and then vote against term limits then they have created a TV commercial for their opponent in the next election.
This is where the party runs interference for them. Let term limits be included in a bill that scraps the military, outlaws private business, and scraps capitalism in favor of socialism. But, but, but, I had no choice but to vote against term limits!
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:58 pm to TX Tiger
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So if you voted for Trump, you actually voted for the establishment political system.
Draw that out and you'll just say that voting is participating in the established system.
If we do it with our eyes wide open then we're not being duped. There is no alternative to the 2 party system at this point
Posted on 8/7/18 at 1:00 pm to dixiechick
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maybe the list of elected “conservatives” were really “shitty Republicans” in disguise and the people who voted for them failed to recognize this?!?!? I’m not saying that the choices are always good ones( many times you just gotta hold your nose and push a button) I’m saying that people are misinformed about what true conservativism looks like.
I don't disagree. I think many more are elected conservatives, but then succumb to swamp pressure for any number of reasons. I also think it is much easier to pay lip service to conservatism than to sell the liberty it brings to the American people. There are a lot of leaches in this country, but there are just as many sheep, who want the security of daddy government.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 1:08 pm to TX Tiger
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I've been reprimanded more than once for saying the same things over and over again.
I think I know were you are going with this and it's just a guess but it begins with "Federal" and ends in "Reserve".
If the people can back out of this system then I agree there is a chance to make this a "better" country and stop the thievery.
I believe the solution to that is a gold backed currency. The problem with a gold back currency is liquidity. Liquidity is the reason that the Federal Reserve system is so accepted. Liquidity is very powerful.
However when you combine a bit currency with gold backing you have the best of both worlds, liquidity and a stable currency.
Platforms like Bit Gold offer that. Trade and commerce need to take place on these type of platforms independent of the Federal Reserve. Once there is enough people off the Federal Reserve system there will be a tipping point where politicians and DC are irrelevant.
Agree? Disagree?
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 8/7/18 at 1:20 pm to Vecchio Cane
quote:Isn't it?
So if you voted for Trump, you actually voted for the establishment political system.
Draw that out and you'll just say that voting is participating in the established system.
quote:Well, there is, but it would take more than just the exhausting trip to the ballot location once every four years to press a computer screen.
If we do it with our eyes wide open then we're not being duped. There is no alternative to the 2 party system at this point
That's pretty much the extent to which the general population is willing to go to keep their republic.
So, no, there is no alternative and watching this board argue back and forth over whether a pebble or a twig is the best way to slay King Kong, while highly entertaining, is nothing more than an exercise in masturbation.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 1:22 pm to Landmass
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Trump is no different. He's the ultimate distraction. He signed the OMNIBUS into law. He hasn't repealed Obamacare, nor has he really tried to. He hasn't given any power back to the states and brought the CIA more into the White House. He's the same as the rest. You're falling into the trap.
No way. You are very wrong, IMHO. You are a clone of that TX guy's way of thinking -- that even Trump is a Swamp Insider Establishment worker-bee for the Globalist Establishment. I do not agree with that.
I also disagree with you and TX Tiger with regard to ya'll's "There is No Right versus Left" because IMHO there IS this dichotomy. The problem is that most of Wash DC and all of the Swampy Insider Establishment people ARE really Leftists because they are Globalist Internationalists.
TRUMP is the Outsider Reformer that wants to de-rail the Trillion Dollar Gravy Train of the Wash DC Establishment. That's why we see this unprecedented effort on all fronts to remove his power from him and get rid of him ASAP. That's not fakery. THAT is a real struggle for power.
There really is not a "Two Party System" in place in the USA. BOTH parties are quite Leftist in that they both are Globalist Internationalists. The GOP must feign opposition to Globalism in order to fool their base. The Democrats are quite honest about their desire for Open Borders combined with a VERY generous welfare state.
There IS a "Right vs. Left", dude. That is not an illusion. The real illusion is the notion that the Republican Party is a REAL opposition political party with a Vision that is opposed to and opposite of the Democratic Party's Vision for the USA. THAT is not true. BOTH parties share essentially the same Vision.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 8/7/18 at 1:28 pm to TX Tiger
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I've offered solutions on this board ad nauseam. Remember, I've posted here for 14 years.
I've never seen any of your "solution" posts on this board. I'll have to look more closely, I suppose.
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