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re: Why exactly are some Conservatives Pro-Russia?
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:01 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:01 am to AggieHank86
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European allies
These are the same dudes that put together a russian pee dossier and spyed on Trump campaign members overseas to set narratives that Trump was an installed Russian Puppet.
Great allies
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:03 am to Grinder
I don’t personally know any pro-Russia people.
But I’ve seen a few leftists on this site who make pro-Russia accusations at anybody who doesn’t want to support Ukraine with their tax dollars.
It’s like calling right wingers “fascists”, or calling anybody “chicken” in the hopes it will inspire opposite behavior. It doesn’t work against people who have reason. It might work against people who use emotions to make decisions, which is why leftists think it works.
But I’ve seen a few leftists on this site who make pro-Russia accusations at anybody who doesn’t want to support Ukraine with their tax dollars.
It’s like calling right wingers “fascists”, or calling anybody “chicken” in the hopes it will inspire opposite behavior. It doesn’t work against people who have reason. It might work against people who use emotions to make decisions, which is why leftists think it works.
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 7:07 am
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:04 am to Grinder
Why do no leftists care about where our fricking money goes?
Have there been ANY democrats say, "I care about waste and the taxpayer but I think we should go about it differently?"
Have there been ANY democrats say, "I care about waste and the taxpayer but I think we should go about it differently?"
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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Russia is an enemy more than China
The above quote is next level stupidity.
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at least we have benefits to a relationship with China.
Such as closed markets, IP theft, and currency manipulation all leading to massive trade deficits?
Perhaps you feel that we benefited from the Chinese agreeing to create Covid?
China is enemy number one.
It would be foolish to think otherwise.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:21 am to Grinder
It’s always the pussies screaming about war the loudest who’s never enlisted to fight the wars your promote.
Go to Ukraine and fight if you believe in the righteous cause. Dont be a pussy and send others to do what you won’t do
Go to Ukraine and fight if you believe in the righteous cause. Dont be a pussy and send others to do what you won’t do
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:39 am to jimmy the leg
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Such as closed markets, IP theft, and currency manipulation all leading to massive trade deficits?
No. The almost $60B in trade we engage with China on an annual basis.
I know there is this retarded NPC talking point that international trade is bad, but it's not.
That doesn't make China perfect, clearly, but Russia offers almost nothing for us. Their biggest export is already produced here in abundance.
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Perhaps you feel that we benefited from the Chinese agreeing to create Covid?
Both the US and China were hurt by China's negligence in handling Covid, China more so than the US.
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China is enemy number one.
Top 3 annual trading partner
Russia barely makes the top 25. Approximately 1/18 of our trade with China.
Russia has also engaged in the #1 or #2 most destabilizing international event since Vietnam, and then probably has the next few spots (for each of its unprovoked invasions in its region since 2008).
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:41 am to LuckyTiger
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I’m not sure Europe has much choice here. They are struggling mightily, especially because of energy.
Their Green policies are very -EV
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I’ve always thought the Coase theorem has a fundamental flaw because it discounts the role of human vices such as pride/stubbornness
Well behavioral economics covers the irrationality of economic actors
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:45 am to jimmy the leg
I don't love China, but I seem to remember seeing something that a lot of people (especially diabetics) would die quickly without their medication from there.
If we start mixing it up with them, that is going to be a real test of MAGA/America First. It will be interesting if this board goes neocon. I get criticized for posting a lot of material from independent media leftists, but it's because they are ideologically consistent on these things.
If we start mixing it up with them, that is going to be a real test of MAGA/America First. It will be interesting if this board goes neocon. I get criticized for posting a lot of material from independent media leftists, but it's because they are ideologically consistent on these things.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:47 am to Grinder
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Russia is led by the worst man on the planet.
XI and all the Chinese are worse, hundreds of millions of Muslims are worse
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:50 am to 2020_reVISION
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The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) has had observers on-the-ground monitoring the situation in Donbas since the outbreak of open conflict began in 2014
There is that temporal framing
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These maps clearly show that Ukraine began artillery strikes against the Donbas republics on February 16th, 2022.
In other words, Ukraine began shelling the independent republics of Donetsk and Luhansk nine days before Russia announced its ‘special military operation’ in Ukraine.
Yes,. Russia changed its strategy from 2014 (where it used a puppet and/or severe influence/threats) to 2022 (where it reverted back to their traditional "protection of ethnic Russia" strategy of causing chaos with clandestine Russian assets/soldiers which then leads to a response and then Russia creates the very talking point I quoted above.
It's such an obvious pattern I'm shocked that even people who are political neophytes don't notice it. Putin has been doing this since 2008 (Georgia).
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While the western corporate media
much legitimate
much sourcing
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The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe
You may want to look into this organization. It's basically run by Russia/Belarus.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:56 am to Grinder
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the worst man on the planet.
With specificity, what has Putin done to be crowned worst man on the planet?
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:03 am to Grinder
Brainwashed by bathing in propaganda
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:04 am to LuckyTiger
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When you lead with this…I’m not sure we can have an honest, fruitful discussion.
Well that conversation is in part a continuation of 2 other threads where this discussion went into detail over the timelines.
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You have decided that none of this has anything to do with NATO. Therefore, it has nothing to do with NATO. And anything to the contrary of your formed idea, you dismiss. Even when the reality is Russia’s cornerstone policy that it views NATO encroachment to eastern Russian borders as a hostile act and , specifically to Ukraine, as unacceptable.
"NATO" is the clear MAGA/Putin boogeyman. Nobody disputes that.
When looking at what has actually transpired, the temporal framing becomes very important, especially when injecting NATO into the discussion.
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Your idea is those interests aren’t real or legitimate. Therefore, they are to be dismissed.
So go back to my full comment:
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I'm still waiting on all the legitimate sourcing from 2013 to explain how Yanukovych unilaterally rejecting EU integration (which was extremely popular with the Ukrainian population and government) at the 11th hour was due to US/Western actions. Or, bonus points if anyone can explain what this has to do with NATO.
2013 is the key. If we start the analysis in 2013, NATO is not present in the discussion and the EU is the central area of conflict. Also, given the questions above, it really hurts the "CIA created the coup" narrative. If the domestic response to Yanukovych unilaterally rejecting EU integration, from both the population and government, was organic, then this guts the theory of CIA/Western influence, which guts a lot of the other talking points related to the discussion.
If you start the analysis in 2014, the anti-Western types can mold a much stronger narrative around CIA/Western influence.
I bring up NATO because it didn't become a main talking point until 2021 or 2022 and had no role in the Maidan Revolution, really. So what I consider crocodile tears from Putin to justify the later invasion don't fit within the full context of the analysis of this conflict from 2013 onward. Again, if we show the lack of impact of NATO on 2013/2014, it hurts the talking point.
This isn't a trick or a gotcha moment. I've laid the cards out and how the arguments/theories work with each other.
If we start the analysis in late 2013, it unravels lots of the talking points because:
1. They can't explain why the west would prompt Yanukovych to both unilaterally reject EU integration AND engage in an incredibly unpopular trade agreement with Russia (we can, on the other hand, explain Russia's role in both rather easily).
2. They can't explain what NATO has anything to do with the scenario in #1 above, either.
I've been asking the same questions about 2013 for years. The only change in response is now people are referencing "NGOs" and "USAID" (which they haven't for 2 years), which is obvious why and can be discarded for those obvious reasons.
*ETA: Also, if the "2014 Western Coup" narrative is true, they still can't explain how Zelensky has anything to do with it. He is the guy who ousted the Western puppet leader, in that scenario. He thwarted the West/CIA. You will see a recurring theme of the stronger NPCs associating Z with 2014 directly, even (which is intentional by the people promoting the talking points).
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 8:23 am
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:04 am to Grinder
Not pro Russia you dip shite.
Zelensky should’ve used that money to defend his border instead of going into Russia like he could actually take it over.
Little man syndrome.
Zelensky should’ve used that money to defend his border instead of going into Russia like he could actually take it over.
Little man syndrome.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:10 am to AggieHank86
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Approximately 10% of the population of the Russian Federation is Muslim ...
and fortunately for White russians, they are segregated by geographical factors…
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:11 am to Dissident Aggressor
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Approximately 10% of the population of the Russian Federation is Muslim ...
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and fortunately for White russians,
They're primarily white Muslims baw
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:11 am to Grinder
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Russia is led by the worst man on the planet.
Xi and Kim are deeply offended by this slight.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:11 am to Lima Whiskey
Your “traditional” ain’t everyone’s “traditional”.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:12 am to Grinder
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Why exactly are some Conservatives Pro-Russia?
Conservatives aren't. Populists are.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 8:15 am to Grinder
Damn, Grinder.
Hyperbole and generalize much?
Plus this gem...
Hyperbole and generalize much?
Plus this gem...
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worst man on the planet.
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