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re: Would cutting Social Security?
Posted on 12/22/25 at 11:57 am to alphaandomega
Posted on 12/22/25 at 11:57 am to alphaandomega
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Why cut something that taxpayers pay into?
Social security and Medicare/medicaid are over half of our budget.
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We should cut (abolish) welfare. That would save billions (trillions) of dollars.
Okay. Let’s cut both. But when we say welfare we are including ALL OF IT. Farm subsidies, business subsidies, allllllllllllllll offffffffffff ittttttttttt
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 12:05 pm to beerJeep
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I do not give a frick who takes more.
You probably should
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The question is “do they take more than they put in”
Which can easily be fixed by raising the age to 70.
It will put the vast majority of men in the losers bin and the vast majority of women in the winners bin.
But overall about half won't get more than they pay in before dying.
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End the Ponzi scheme. Destroy social security. Let the people keep their money.
Ends in whoever ended it being thrown out of office and replaced by people who bring it back.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 12:30 pm to Narax
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Ends in whoever ended it being thrown out of office and replaced by people who bring it back.
Which is why we are in the death throes of the republic.
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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 12:33 pm to beerJeep
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Which is why we are in the death throes of the republic.
Nah, we still have hope, Trump won, the Democrats have exploited men, women and children. they are catching on.
We have a good chance with Vance for 2 more terms.
We have the supreme court.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 12:37 pm to drkirk90
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save Americans billions, maybe trillions of dollars. And could this happen under Trump?
yes, but nobody, not even trump, has the balls to end that ponzi scheme. I wish they would though, coupled with a deduction of the payroll tax of course.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 1:17 pm to drkirk90
Will not save money. Money will just be spent somewhere else, probably to some fraudulent program. Repay the money to social security recipients that have been paying all their working life.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 1:25 pm to TechBullDawg
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Do government retirees get a pension? Cut that
Many also don't pay into Social Security
Posted on 12/22/25 at 1:50 pm to NorthTiger
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The short answer is there’s lots of ways to save a gabillion dollars.
Like when I ran for the local school board and there was a debate. They asked how we’d increase test scores. “I’d hire more teachers aides and put them in the classroom” to which my opponent said “where’s that money gonna come from” and I said “well id start by getting rid of about half the 100k earners at the school board office”. Sometimes saving a Gabillion dollars is simple, assuming you got the nuts for it.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 2:00 pm to dcbl
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Retirement age must be raised and self directed investments need to be implemented and incorporated as an option
Or the gov't can cut wasteful spending and put back all the money they stole from SS over the years.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 2:38 pm to beerJeep
quote:You cannot be THAT much of a simpleton, can you?
They are both, on average, taking more than they put in. Which is what your data says….
Let me guess ... you also think SS is a "retirement program," and retirees are "beneficiaries"?
Posted on 12/22/25 at 2:47 pm to beerJeep
quote:.... and SS is still in SURPLUS!
Social security and Medicare/medicaid are over half of our budget.
If unaltered, it will remain in surplus for 10 more years.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 2:57 pm to Narax
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Which can easily be fixed by raising the age to 70.
When the program was started, the SS retirement age was set higher than life expectancy in the US. We'd have to raise the Social Security retirement age to about 80, in order to bring it back to its original (relative) setting.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 2:59 pm to David_DJS
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When the program was started, the SS retirement age was set higher than life expectancy in the US. We'd have to raise the Social Security retirement age to about 80, in order to bring it back to its original (relative) setting.
The problem was that at that time, people stopped working only a short time before they died.
Now it's way different.
Many years of unproductive life.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 3:03 pm to NorthTiger
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The short answer is there’s lots of ways to save a gabillion dollars.
Within the context of our deficit issues, this is not true.
That's the problem
Posted on 12/22/25 at 3:04 pm to Narax
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The problem was that at that time, people stopped working only a short time before they died.
Why was that a problem then and the problem isn't that today people retire at the same time they did back then, but live about 20 years longer?
Posted on 12/22/25 at 3:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Within the context of our deficit issues, this is not true.
That's the problem
I could do it. It's not that complicated. Excruciatingly hard, but not complicated.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 3:08 pm to David_DJS
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I could do it. It's not that complicated.
Discretionary is only $1.8T
Our deficit (it will be bigger next year) was $1.9T
Posted on 12/22/25 at 3:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Discretionary is only $1.8T
Because something is labeled "mandatory" in the federal budget it doesn't mean it can't be cut.
Like I said - excruciatingly hard, but not complicated.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 3:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Go outside or maybe have the fellas over for a bourrè.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 3:11 pm to David_DJS
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Because something is labeled "mandatory" in the federal budget it doesn't mean it can't be cut.
Well that means we're getting into things like...Social Security, which he was implying we could avoid.
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