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re: Christian Pulisic
Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:19 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:19 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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He has great touch. He is one of those players where the ball sticks to his foot.
THIS
The rest will come. He has what you can´t teach. You can teach it, show it, repeat to infinity, but you either have it, or you don´t.
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 10:21 pm
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Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:40 pm to SUB
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incorrect age
No, but seriously, huh?
Posted on 3/26/17 at 10:58 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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rooney,dybala,kane,
Martial,alli,tielemans,depay,sterlings all had more potential and on a higher trajectory at 18 than Christian Pulisic. CP can be a great player but to say no 18 year old had a for sure better path is utterly ridiculous. Good god.
Let's run through these players at their corresponding seasons based on the age Pulisic currently is.
Wayne Rooney-last season at Everton. 9 goals in 40 appearances. For everton. Not Borussia Dortmund.
Dybala-17 goals in 38 appearances for Instituto de Cordoba.
Kane-1 goal in 6 appearances for Tottenham. Goal wasn't in europe or a domestic competition. Must've been in a glorified friendly.
Martial-2 goals in 15 appearances for Monaco
Tielemans-7 goals in 45 appearances for Anderlecht
Alli-16 goals in 41 appearances for Milton Keynes Don in League one
Depay-3 goals in 30 appearances for PSV Eindhoven
Sterling-2 goals in 36 appearances for Liverpool
Christian Pulisic-5 goals in 31 appearances so far for Dortmund. Only one of the above playing for a CL squad in a big 4 league at the time.
Ronaldo-6 goals in 40 appearances for Man U
Messi-8 goals in 25 appearances for Barca
Let's do a simple comparison. Is Pulisic's resume more like the last 2, or the first 8? Seriously, in what world were those first 8 guys, without the benefit of hindsight, doing more against better competition than Pulisic? It's really hard to be that wrong.
No one is saying he is for sure going to be a top ten player in the world, but the only reason you'd categorically be denying it based on his career so far is bc he's American and you're trying to overcompensate
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 3/26/17 at 11:11 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Messi,ronaldo,rooney,dybala,kane,
Martial,alli,tielemans,depay,sterlings all had more potential and on a higher trajectory at 18 than Christian Pulisic
There's a few of those guys on that list that you can take off right now. I didn't think Kane had any PL appearances before he was 18. Dybala was still in Argentina. Alli was in League One. Tielemans is still playing in Belgium.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:01 am to tigerfan88
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Wayne Rooney-last season at Everton. 9 goals in 40 appearances. For everton. Not Borussia Dortmund.
Are you under the delusion that Dortmund plays in a tougher league than Everton?
Whether you like it or not the players I listed were thought of much higher at 18 than Pulisic is. No one except US fans would ever say no 18 year old has ever had a better trajectory than CP.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:02 am to tigerfan88
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Wayne Rooney-last season at Everton. 9 goals in 40 appearances. For everton. Not Borussia Dortmund.
Are you under the delusion that Dortmund plays in a tougher league than Everton?
Whether you like it or not the players I listed were thought of much higher at 18 than Pulisic is. No one except US fans would ever say no 18 year old has ever had a better trajectory than CP.
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one is saying he is for sure going to be a top ten player in the world, but the only reason you'd categorically be denying it based on his career so far is bc he's American and you're trying to overcompensate
No im not. It's utter ignorance to say no 18 year old player had a better trajectory than CP.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:12 am to pvilleguru
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There's a few of those guys on that list that you can take off right now. I didn't think Kane had any PL appearances before he was 18. Dybala was still in Argentina. Alli was in League One. Tielemans is still playing in Belgium.
Only a biased person would say an 18 year old CP has a better trajectory than the 18 year old players I mentioned.
The guys I mentioned were world class players by 19. Are you really telling me CP will be a world class player by September?
I have no doubt CP can be a world class player but acting like he has the highest trajectory or potential as any 18 year old ever is stupid as hell.
EL phenomenon won the Ballon D'Or by age 21. Are you suggesting CP has aas high a trajectory and on the same pace as him?
Messi had 2 Fifa POY(1 ballon d'or) by age 23. Are you really suggesting CP is on the same trajectory as messi when he was 18?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:25 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Are you under the delusion that Dortmund plays in a tougher league than Everton?
No I'm under the "delusion" that it's harder to break into a team like Dortmund than it is a team like Everton.
Really, Dybale was thought of higher in Argentina than Pulisic is in the knockout rounds of the CL? Kane was more highly thought playing for Tottenham's reserves? Depay was higher thought of riding the pine and making substitute appearances for PSV? You were wrong. If they were "higher thought of," which is a nebulous unquantifiable goal post moving measurement you've changed the question to after most of your examples were statistically disproven, then they were only higher thought of because they were European/South American as opposed to American. Bc on the actual field almost none of your examples had done more during the 17-18 year old season.
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No im not. It's utter ignorance to say no 18 year old player had a better trajectory than CP.
You're looking at all these players with the benefit of hindsight. Daily mail just ranked the 50 best players under 23 in European football, and Pulisic was 15th at age 18. He, Mbappe, and a goalie for AC Milan were the only 18 years old in the top 30. Essentially they have him as the second best outfield player in the world right now age 18 or under. It's pretty hard to have a better trajectory as an 18 year old than second best outfield player in the world for your age
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:37 am to Rickdaddy4188
First off ballon d'or is the best player in the world, not a top ten player in the world. Secondly, guys make huge leaps from talented 18 year olds contributing on major teams to being world super stars. But guess what? At age 18 they were almost all still just talented 18 year olds contributing on major teams and flashing their talent/potential.
Henrik Larsson was an amazing player, and finished right outside the top ten in the Ballon D'or a couple of times in the early 2000's. You're saying there's no possible world where Christian Pulisic has a stretch where he's as good as Henrik Larsson?
Henrik Larsson was an amazing player, and finished right outside the top ten in the Ballon D'or a couple of times in the early 2000's. You're saying there's no possible world where Christian Pulisic has a stretch where he's as good as Henrik Larsson?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:36 am to Rickdaddy4188
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It's utter ignorance to say no 18 year old player had a better trajectory than CP.
Absolutely nobody said this.
You are terrible at trying to make a point and backing it up.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:03 am to tigerfan88
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Let's do a simple comparison. Is Pulisic's resume more like the last 2, or the first 8? Seriously, in what world were those first 8 guys, without the benefit of hindsight, doing more against better competition than Pulisic? It's really hard to be that wrong.
No one is saying he is for sure going to be a top ten player in the world, but the only reason you'd categorically be denying it based on his career so far is bc he's American and you're trying to overcompensate
Yeah, most on that list he provided simply were not rated (or productive) that high at 18... Rooney definitely was...
One left off your list was Michael Owen who won the EPL golden boot at 18, as well as scoring in the WC... and the Ballon d'Or by 21...
Posted on 3/27/17 at 6:26 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Only a biased person would say an 18 year old CP has a better trajectory than the 18 year old players I mentioned.
You wouldn't have to be biased. We've shown that he's accomplished just as much if not more than many of those players by his current age.
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The guys I mentioned were world class players by 19. Are you really telling me CP will be a world class player by September?
He's already our best player, so he sure could be.
And as a Liverpool fan, he's better than Sterling was at that age.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 6:49 am
Posted on 3/27/17 at 6:48 am to Vlatket
Man. Vlatket, Rick, and super soaker are really tarding up this thread. Where do y'all get these delusions?
Pulisic should have played for Croatia, a country that he has no ties to except a grandfather, has never lived there, and doesn't speak the language? After making it clear he feels American, doesn't even want Pulisic to be pronounced the Croatian way, and only ever wanted to play for the US?
How does an 18 year old contributing for the second best team in Germany, and in the quarters of the champions league no less, get called overrated? Do these same people think Mbappe is overrated? Because Pulisic is the only 18 year old right now who has shown a level close to that of Mbappe. And basically every commentator has professed their love for Pulisic.
Raul loves Pulisic. Former World Cup winner Lothar Mathhaus loves Pulisic, calling what he did against Benfica world class, and saying that he is becoming the player they expected Goetze to be (yeah, that guy who scored the winning goal at the World Cup). Tuchel loves Pulisic. Donovan loves Pulisic and says that Pulisic is way ahead of where he was at this age. Safe to say anyone with half a brain should listen to these guys and not the mouth breathers that occasionally dirty up this board with utter, unfounded idiocy.
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Pulisic should have played for Croatia, a country that he has no ties to except a grandfather, has never lived there, and doesn't speak the language? After making it clear he feels American, doesn't even want Pulisic to be pronounced the Croatian way, and only ever wanted to play for the US?
How does an 18 year old contributing for the second best team in Germany, and in the quarters of the champions league no less, get called overrated? Do these same people think Mbappe is overrated? Because Pulisic is the only 18 year old right now who has shown a level close to that of Mbappe. And basically every commentator has professed their love for Pulisic.
Raul loves Pulisic. Former World Cup winner Lothar Mathhaus loves Pulisic, calling what he did against Benfica world class, and saying that he is becoming the player they expected Goetze to be (yeah, that guy who scored the winning goal at the World Cup). Tuchel loves Pulisic. Donovan loves Pulisic and says that Pulisic is way ahead of where he was at this age. Safe to say anyone with half a brain should listen to these guys and not the mouth breathers that occasionally dirty up this board with utter, unfounded idiocy.
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:07 am to cwil177
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Raul loves Pulisic. Former World Cup winner Lothar Mathhaus loves Pulisic, calling what he did against Benfica world class, and saying that he is becoming the player they expected Goetze to be (yeah, that guy who scored the winning goal at the World Cup). Tuchel loves Pulisic. Donovan loves Pulisic and says that Pulisic is way ahead of where he was at this age. Safe to say anyone with half a brain should listen to these guys and not the mouth breathers that occasionally dirty up this board with utter, unfounded idiocy.
No one said he was overrated dumbass. I said it stupid to say CP has a better trajectory at 18 than any player ever.
I mentioned players that had won Fifa POY OR BALLON D'OR BY AGE 21.
My point was there are multplie players that were on a better path at 18 than CP.to say otherwise just shows bias or ignorance.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 7:13 am
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:10 am to Broski
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Absolutely nobody said this.
You are terrible at trying to make a point and backing it up
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I promise you won't find 10 players who were for sure on a better path at age 18.
Try to keep up.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 7:14 am
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:14 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:You mentioned 2 players that have won the Ballon d'or, Ronaldo and Messi.
I mentioned players that had won Fifa POY OR BALLON D'OR BY AGE 21.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:15 am to Rickdaddy4188
And many of those players weren't on for sure better paths when they were 18. Hell, one guy still plays in Belgium.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:17 am to tigerfan88
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Henrik Larsson was an amazing player, and finished right outside the top ten in the Ballon D'or a couple of times in the early 2000's. You're saying there's no possible world where Christian Pulisic has a stretch where he's as good as Henrik Larsson?
No im not. I'm telling you there have been multiple player that were on a better path at 18 than CP
Your post....
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I promise you won't find 10 players who were for sure on a better path at age 18.
CP is an outstanding talent and can easily be US's goat but to blindly say there haven't been 10 players with a better path by age 18 is just not true.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:18 am to pvilleguru
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You mentioned 2 players that have won the Ballon d'or, Ronaldo and Messi.
Yep. 2 players that won it by 21. Are you saying those players at 18 werent on a better path than CP? Because thats the argument.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:20 am to pvilleguru
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And many of those players weren't on for sure better paths when they were 18. Hell, one guy still plays in Belgium.
So it's your stance that CP is on a better path than Tielemans?
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