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Posted by Broski
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:02 pm to
2010 is the big "what-if" year for me... even bigger than the Frings hand-ball in 2002.

Davies worked so well with both Altidore and Donovan who were having good tournaments (Yeah, Jozy didn't score but he assisted Bradley's goal and was MOTM v. Algeria). The bracket really opened up for us by winning the group and if a healthy Davies was there to go along with Jozy and Donovan, I just wonder how far we could've gone.
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:03 pm to
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Care to explain what you mean when talking about seeding at the World Cup?



LINK
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:05 pm to
It would have been Davies clearing a Suarez header off the line in the QF.

Davies could have become one of the best US strikers ever. His goal at Azteca after that lovely (and underrated) pass from Donovan is a goal I watch sometimes. Davies first touch is utterly brilliant.
Posted by mynamebowl
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:06 pm to
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that Donovan goal against Brazil in 2009.


Yep. I remember Harkes in the broadcast booth being surprised as all frick. That was a fun tournament.

The US men's soccer team is one of the most unique, unpredictable teams in all of sports. It can be so bad. But when it's sweet, it can be really, really sweet.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:06 pm to
There were only 7 seeds. You essentially just linked the FIFA rankings at the time, and we all know those rankings are complete shite.
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:08 pm to
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Then your reading comprehension sucks.


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And then to say we underperformed by tying South Korea, who hosted the tournament and made the semifinals that year...


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We played the hosts to a draw


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We got beat by a team who had only one loss in their qualification group


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and we beat a team that had the fricking world player of the year in 2001 on it, as well as fricking Rui Costa


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You are coloring your perspective by applying current standards to 2002. We weren't expected to do anything in that group.


Most people weren't expecting us to make it out of the group of death in 2014, so it seems like a fair comparison to me, based on the comments. So which is it? Group of Death or not in 2002?
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 2:09 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:09 pm to
Those seedings don't mean anything, in that they have little real world relevance. So saying that we were in the top third seeds while Algeria was in the bottom third is meaningless.

Regardless, pretending like Slovenia and Algeria were bad teams is silly. Tournaments are not like video games. We are closer to Slovenia and Algeria than we are to England, yet England also struggled.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:10 pm to
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Group of Death or not in 2002?


Not... doesn't mean that we were expected to make it out of the group.
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:10 pm to
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You essentially just linked the FIFA rankings at the time, and we all know those rankings are complete shite.


If they are shite, what's better / best?
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:12 pm to
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doesn't mean that we were expected to make it out of the group.


Did most expect us to make it out of group in 2010?
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:12 pm to
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Did most expect us to make it out of group in 2010?



Yes, doesn't mean it was a given. And no one expected us to win the group... which we did.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:13 pm to
It was a difficult group, but another group that tournament got the name Group of Death. Our group was super difficult to navigate and we did very well to advance.
Posted by mynamebowl
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:13 pm to
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Davies could have become one of the best US strikers ever. His goal at Azteca after that lovely (and underrated) pass from Donovan is a goal I watch sometimes. Davies first touch is utterly brilliant.


Thank you for that reminder. Just watched it. You're exactly right. What a ball. What a touch to stay in stride and ahead of the defender. And an exquisite curling finish while running at full speed. Perfect.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:14 pm to
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If they are shite, what's better / best?

I'm not aware of a publication that puts out a ranking.

The FIFA rankings is a mathematical formula taking the last 4 years into account. Just because there's not another list does not make FIFA's list any less shite.

But feel free to believe that we had the #3 team in the world at one point.
This post was edited on 7/27/17 at 2:18 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:18 pm to
I have to bring this up again, but that Azteca goal is second favorite to the build up to the second Brazil goal. Davies final pass was superb. LINK
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:27 pm to
The mere mention of the name Charlie Davies still makes me sad. Oh what could have been.
Posted by mynamebowl
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:27 pm to
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I have to bring this up again, but that Azteca goal is second favorite to the build up to the second Brazil goal. Davies final pass was superb.


Poor guy. What could have been.
Posted by mynamebowl
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:27 pm to
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Oh what could have been.


Beat me to it.
Posted by Michael Stein
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:44 pm to
1994- We overachieved on home soil. Beat heavily-favored Colombia and only lost 1-0 in the Round of 16 to eventual champions Brazil.
1998- Divided locker room, worst team at the tournament.
2002- Definitely over-achieved. Upset Portugal in the first game, and drew hosts South Korea. Upset Mexico and if that handball by Frings is called, who knows, maybe we make the semis?
2006- Met expectations. Earned a scrappy draw against champions Italy, but otherwise got buried in a tough group. Offense struggled.
2010- Met expectations, arguably overachieved by winning the group. England ended up being a lot worse than people expected, and Algeria and Slovenia were better than expected. Won the group for the first time since 1930. With Davies we might have made a great run.
2014- Slightly over-achieved. I would say this was our most talented WC team ever, but the brutal draw had most people picking us to be eliminated. Nearly made the quarterfinals despite really only playing well in 1 of the 4 games.

Until we're at the point where we consistently expect to make at least the quarterfinals, I consider a Round of 16 exit to be a good result and a QF exit to be a great result. 2010 was still frustrating because that Ghana game was very winnable.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 7/27/17 at 2:47 pm to
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2006- Met expectations.


Hell no.

We were coming off a quarterfinals appearance 4 years before and if we beat Ghana we advance... instead we finished last int he group.
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