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re: Will the US change its youth system?
Posted on 12/3/22 at 9:10 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 12/3/22 at 9:10 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Every MLS club having one is definitely a step in the right direction
The problem is the majority of these are money grabs and development of players is secondary. Sure there are some good ones but the majority of these MLS next programs are huge money grabs. You go to Europe and the academies pay you to play for them if you are good.
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Posted on 12/3/22 at 9:12 pm to michael corleone
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We need bigger, stronger, faster athletes that can move laterally and push through physical play.
We are bigger, stronger, and faster than 90 percent of the teams in the world. The level of athlete isn’t the problem, more the level of training.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 9:18 pm to michael corleone
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reason we don’t have the Jimmy and the Joes. Those guys are playing American Football or are playing multiple sports and a youth soccer coach won’t put him on the premier team bc he plays multiple sports. We need bigger, stronger, faster athletes that can move laterally and push through physical play. No offense to you soccer boys, but it’s the truth. This is my once very two year rant on this board. I keep saying the same thing and all y’all laugh. I have watched youth soccer for a long time. Multiple sport athletes who are bigger, faster , and stronger get kept down over kids who are “devoted” to soccer. They are devoted for a reason—-bc they aren’t good enough athletes to play any other sports. Meanwhile —-the best athletes in the rest of the world play soccer. That is a fact and why we continue to lose. It’s also why Pulisic can’t even start in Chelsea, but is a legend on this board. Until the soccer die hard and people who control youth soccer recognize this we won’t get past the first knock out round. Blast away soccer boys. Meanwhile, imagine the top 18 athletes playing in the SEC championship game being trained , pushed and elevated in youth soccer since they were 5 instead of some kid who “devoted” himself to soccer.
This might be the wrongest thing I’ve ever read on any board here.
1. Soccer does not demand the biggest, fastest or strongest. It requires 11 people playing as one.
2. What you recommend is exactly what US soccer has featured and it’s the main reason why we continue to underachieve.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 9:30 pm to RollTide4Ever
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What position would Messi play in football
I'm going to go ahead and say place-kicker
Posted on 12/3/22 at 9:37 pm to WaltTeevens
He’d be a bitchin little slot receiver.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:17 pm to michael corleone
Weston 100% could be a secondary player if he devoted his life to football. Gio has a frame that could lead to him being a solid football player. Jedi has no mass but also has a frame that could lead to him fitting into football. Yedlin could be a hell of a running back or slot receiver, at least back in his prime. CCV, Haji, and Zimmerman are more examples of guys that have physical tools and athleticism to compete in football.
The idea that the US has a bunch of 5’7 145 pound dweebs running around is ignorant.
The idea that the US has a bunch of 5’7 145 pound dweebs running around is ignorant.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 1:06 am to lionward2014
We didn’t lose to the Netherlands because of their “superior athletes”….We lost because of the failure in communication between the back line and the inability to finish our chances. Shot statistics were essentially even - but our shots were not as decisive or threatening.
We allowed free runners to the middle of the box on the first two goals and a free man on the back post on the 3rd goal. That’s just sloppy defending - and the Dutch finished their chances.
We allowed free runners to the middle of the box on the first two goals and a free man on the back post on the 3rd goal. That’s just sloppy defending - and the Dutch finished their chances.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 1:17 am to michael corleone
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This is my once very two year rant on this board.
And every time one of y'all do this you are reminded that we are always the most athletic team in these tournaments, with the stats to prove it.
The fastest player clocked in the premier league a few years ago was Lynden Freaking Gooch and he hasn't sniffed our national team in like 5 years.
It's such a flawed argument because it works the same in almost every other sport, yet people just assume it only applies to soccer. You cant take (insert athlete name) and say they'd make a great hockey player with the right training, be a MLB starting pitcher, or win multiple medals in swimming. But your types always come here during the World Cup and act like its different than the others.
This post was edited on 12/4/22 at 1:25 am
Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:02 am to BCLA
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You cant take (insert athlete name) and say they'd make a great hockey player with the right training, be a MLB starting pitcher, or win multiple medals in swimming.
Exactly!
How did that baseball career work out for Michael Jordan?
The fact that Cameron Carter-Vickers “chose soccer” when his father played professional basketball, shows that some people WILL decide to play soccer over another sport. I’m sure his dad had him playing basketball at a younger age.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 9:18 am to StraightCashHomey21
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As in other parts of the world there are so many clubs up and down the pyramid it covers everywhere
We can't think of our country in terms of small European countries (and Brazil is an outlier b/c of their extreme and unique soccer culture).
It's very likely that we never cover the entire US b/c it is just too large and would be too expensive. Look at the dominant soccer countries. Outside of Brazil, all are sub-100M population.
If we covered just California, Texas, and the NE megalopolis (Boston to DC), that's about 110M people.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 9:23 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Athletic ability has never been an issue with American soccer players
It's not as much simply athletic ability as much as increasing the population of athletes focusing on soccer.
If we made a law that all sports participants who project to be under 5-10 had to play soccer, within our current setup, we'd be the world power in 10-15 years.
The talent pool would just increase so much with so many competitors with superior athleticism and the mindset to train/develop, that we would have to try not to develop 2-3 teams of first class players.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 9:47 am to WicKed WayZ
No. Too much money being made by these youth clubs and travel teams.
I was just reading a Reddit post about this
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"Mostly because it costs thousands of dollars per year, plus a ton of time in your day/week, to play on a competitive youth club team. If you don't have $ or a parent with the time and willingness to help you travel it's nearly impossible.
Been a referee for 15 years and it's the same thing year after year, nothing ever changes. Leagues claiming to be "elite" that are mostly just a bunch of rich kids who can afford to be there vs The actual most talented kids. Then every season a new "Elite" league seems to pop up which are almost always just a money grab at rich parents who want to believe their kid is some special talent.
There are at least 3 different high level youth leagues claiming to have the best talent pool (MLS Next, ECNL, NPSL) which is absurd, condense the leagues and put the best players against each other. Costs thousands to participate on these teams too. Unfortunately there are too many coaches and admins making a living off those various leagues now for me to see it changing. We will continue to water down out youth competition vs putting the best against the best for money's sake"
I was just reading a Reddit post about this
LINK
"Mostly because it costs thousands of dollars per year, plus a ton of time in your day/week, to play on a competitive youth club team. If you don't have $ or a parent with the time and willingness to help you travel it's nearly impossible.
Been a referee for 15 years and it's the same thing year after year, nothing ever changes. Leagues claiming to be "elite" that are mostly just a bunch of rich kids who can afford to be there vs The actual most talented kids. Then every season a new "Elite" league seems to pop up which are almost always just a money grab at rich parents who want to believe their kid is some special talent.
There are at least 3 different high level youth leagues claiming to have the best talent pool (MLS Next, ECNL, NPSL) which is absurd, condense the leagues and put the best players against each other. Costs thousands to participate on these teams too. Unfortunately there are too many coaches and admins making a living off those various leagues now for me to see it changing. We will continue to water down out youth competition vs putting the best against the best for money's sake"
Posted on 12/4/22 at 9:52 am to michael corleone
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WicKed WayZ
US fails to recruit or otherwise train ATHLETES.
Did you even watch the game yesterday? The problem isnt that our guys weren't a step faster, the thing holding us back was creativity in the final third.
Ghana had a guy with faster in game speed than tyreek hill starting at forward and he didnt score a single goal lol
Posted on 12/4/22 at 9:59 am to Robin Masters
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1. Soccer does not demand the biggest, fastest or strongest. It requires 11 people playing as o
Yes. Also when you watch the USA team, they aren't good with passing and ball control.
If you've ever watched the Premiere League then try and watch the MLS, that's what it looked like watching the US vs the Dutch yesterday.
Passes were all over the place. Mostly too long. Guys first touches were too heavy and they have to chase the ball. Balls going OB too much from bad touches/Passes.
Then in the box they were too slow to shoot or pass. Dutch had plenty of time to set up their defense when we were in the box. Not to mention on Defense nobody was tracking back to help out.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:23 am to YNWA
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f you've ever watched the Premiere League then try and watch the MLS, that's what it looked like watching the US vs the Dutch yesterday.
We watch EPL exclusively so watching USMNT is like “what sport is this?”
Most frustrating was watching our guys dribble into our own players.
My 15yo has spent 8 years in youth soccer and coaches only want kids that are big and who can dribble straight into the teeth of the defense. They think taking someone on 1v1 is the most important skill in soccer which is so strange because it almost never happens in high level soccer and only done to create space for a pass or shot, not to continue dribbling.
US will continue to underachieve until we fix fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the game from our youth coaches.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:25 am to Corinthians420
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Did you even watch the game yesterday? The problem isnt that our guys weren't a step faster, the thing holding us back was creativity in the final third. Ghana had a guy with faster in game speed than tyreek hill starting at forward and he didnt score a single goal lol
No one is faster than the ball.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:27 am to YNWA
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No. Too much money being made by these youth clubs and travel teams.
Yep. And their primary concern is inter club dominance instead of player development.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:28 am to YNWA
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Yes. Also when you watch the USA team, they aren't good with passing and ball control.
the first touch is the most important and we still have guys starting that struggle to control it much less put it in the right spot
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:29 am to Robin Masters
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No one is faster than the ball
and no matter how the game changes this will always be true.
I guess some people just want us to put in sprinters and play longball and get called for offsides 17 times per game rather than passing to create a scoring opportunity like the teams that beat us
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:39 am to Corinthians420
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guess some people just want us to put in sprinters and play longball and get called for offsides 17 times per game rather than passing to create a scoring opportunity like the teams that beat us
Having speed doesn’t hurt but the problem is that when you’re a hammer the world looks like a nail so players think they can use speed in every situation.
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