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re: Disney has gone to crap!!!
Posted on 2/7/22 at 6:52 am to metallica81788
Posted on 2/7/22 at 6:52 am to metallica81788
quote:There is still alot of value in rope dropping as a resort guest for early entry but strategies are a bit different now with being able to purchase individual lightning lanes.
Disney used to reward pure resilience and waking up early. You could accomplish so much by beating the crowd and simply outlasting people.
Take Hollywood Studios for example...you can chose to either knock out Toy Story Land OR Sunset Blvd but you can't really do both in rope drop Heading to Slinky Dog then trying to make it to Smugglers Run or Tower of Terror won't really work. BUT you can knock out Slinky Dog, Toy Story Mania and Alien Swirling Saucers. OR, start with a couple rides on Rock n Roller Coaster and Tower of Terror. OR, Rise of the Resistance and Sumgglers Run but the opportunity to do multiple sections of the park in one rope drop just isn't there but that is why when we used G+ and ILLs.
Wd didnt add those costs into our budget but decided to plan less table service dining to off-set the cost.
For those can that afford deluxe resort, having Epcot and Magic Kingdom evenings to yourselves helped alot too...there was not reason for us to ever need to to G+ or Individual Lightning Lanes at either of those because you can get so much done on those later evenings.
Costs have gone up. What's given for the cost is less of a value for sure but there are still ways to navigate the wait times and do every headliner they have.
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:31 am to theantiquetiger
The Rise ride is incredible, like 3 different rides in one. Ratatouille is also a great ride. I like the "giant go-cart type ride"
I would agree with you that the lighting lane and genie+ thing seems more complicated than it should be and a slight money grab.
I would agree with you that the lighting lane and genie+ thing seems more complicated than it should be and a slight money grab.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:48 am to LSUfan4444
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It works perfectly for that if you book your Genie plus in the park you hop to and use standby for the park you rope drop. If you don't plan to hit the park at rope drop but still plan to hop you can still line up your Genie plus at the park you hop to and use the individual lightning lanes at the park you start in but if you rope drop you can save that money.
We only hop at night and usually just to epcot.
With that said, the problem people who hit the parks like we do is by the time you get in line for your fist Genie+ or LL ride, the next big attraction under genie+ or LL is not available until later in the afternoon. This means it would take me all day to hit the 3 main attractions while under FP+ we could do that before noon.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:08 am to SippyCup
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With that said, the problem people who hit the parks like we do is by the time you get in line for your fist Genie+ or LL ride, the next big attraction under genie+ or LL is not available until later in the afternoon. This means it would take me all day to hit the 3 main attractions while under FP+ we could do that before noon.
That's the entire point of the new system...because too many people did that and the wait times were absurd for anyone not on FP. So they intentionally played with the system to allow more people to ride the big rides but harder for the few people that knew the system to ride more big rides.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:10 am to metallica81788
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Disney used to reward pure resilience and waking up early. You could accomplish so much by beating the crowd and simply outlasting people. It was a meritocracy.
I mean arriving early and staying late to beat the crowds hasn't changed at all...that's still available for the most part. Its the mid day rides that have changed.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:09 am to SippyCup
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the problem people who hit the parks like we do is by the time you get in line for your fist Genie+ or LL ride, the next big attraction under genie+ or LL is not available until later in the afternoon.
This is the reason I advocate not using Genie + at all in the morning unless you plan to arrive well after rope drop. if you're going to rope drop make your first G+ reservation at 7 am for sometime after 1pm. Then, two hours after that park opens (11am for example) make another one for 1:45/2pm. Then two hours after you make your second one, make your third.
If you rope drop and schedule all your G+ attractions in your second park you walk in with at least three G+. It's the same approach people used when scheduling their FP+ all in the afternoon.
Park Hoppers are the ones who can get the most out of G+ especially if they rope drop
You could, for example, rope drop Magic Kingdom and do alot in Tomorrowland and Frontierland via standby with no, minimal or moderate waits (Pirates, Splash, Thunder, Haunted Mansion and Jungle Cruise). Take your mid day break and hop to hollywood studios and have G+ reservations for Rock n Roller Coaster, Tower of Terror and Toy Story Mania then walk or take a friendship boat over to Epcot to close out the night. If you use Individual Lightning lanes the cost goes up but you can certainly add those attractions as well.
This post was edited on 2/7/22 at 10:14 am
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:25 am to LSUlove
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Luckily we had a DAS pass so we skipped all lines
The DAS is a fraud that makes the parks worse for everyone else. Congrats. You are contributing to the downfall of America.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:31 am to theantiquetiger
We are doing a long stay (9 nights) right after school ends at the end of May / beg of June. This might be the last big trip for us, because the kids are getting older, the prices just keep going up, and all the add on costs are just annoying.
We have 5 day park hoppers and 6 nights at OKW followed by 3 nights at Poly DVC, all on rented points.
Day 1 - Drive to Disney, start stay at OKW
Day 2 - Animal Kingdom
Day 3 - Epcot
Day 4 - Disney Springs, shop at outlets, go to Universal CityWalk
Day 5 - Hollywood Studios
Day 6 - Hang out at OKW resort and swim / relax
Day 7 - Transfer to Poly, MK
Day 8 - MK
Day 9 - Hang out at Poly Resort
Day 10 - Drive home
We have 5 day park hoppers and 6 nights at OKW followed by 3 nights at Poly DVC, all on rented points.
Day 1 - Drive to Disney, start stay at OKW
Day 2 - Animal Kingdom
Day 3 - Epcot
Day 4 - Disney Springs, shop at outlets, go to Universal CityWalk
Day 5 - Hollywood Studios
Day 6 - Hang out at OKW resort and swim / relax
Day 7 - Transfer to Poly, MK
Day 8 - MK
Day 9 - Hang out at Poly Resort
Day 10 - Drive home
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:31 am to theantiquetiger
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We are only here due to the High School Dance Team Nationals.
Other than the parks... how is the dance team nationals experience?
My wife and oldest will be there this weekend for cheer team nationals.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:40 am to baldona
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That's the entire point of the new system...because too many people did that and the wait times were absurd for anyone not on FP. So they intentionally played with the system to allow more people to ride the big rides but harder for the few people that knew the system to ride more big rides.
I don't think the point was to allow more people to ride the big rides. I think from the Disney perspective, the point was to keep those people in the park longer. Don't let them get the rides done by noon. Make them stay still 3 and spend more money in the park or make them pay extra per ride to skip the line. Their intention is always to make more money.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:59 am to LaLadyinTx
We are going in April. Seeing this thread reminds me that I need to up my Xanax prescription. Also, it reminds me that this is the first and last time we do Disney with my kids.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:02 pm to LSUfan4444
But you made my point. I don't want to be in the parks all day and I can no longer get 6 good attractions completed before 1:00.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:28 pm to LaLadyinTx
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I don't think the point was to allow more people to ride the big rides. I think from the Disney perspective, the point was to keep those people in the park longer. Don't let them get the rides done by noon. Make them stay still 3 and spend more money in the park or make them pay extra per ride to skip the line. Their intention is always to make more money.
This is a very long video, but honestly one of the best videos I've seen on Youtube. He does a great job explaining previous fastpass systems, current system, efficiency, etc.
LINK
Posted on 2/7/22 at 1:19 pm to tigerbacon
$120 per day and you have to pay to actually ride the better rides. That's kinda fricky.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 2:45 pm to Pfft
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$120 per day and you have to pay to actually ride the better rides. That's kinda fricky.
And it will keep going up as long as people keep attending.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 4:19 pm to SippyCup
You don’t have to be in the parks all day. Even on our last trip last month I don’t think we were in any one park for more than maybe 6 hours. Every day had a multi hour mid day break for naps, swimming or drinks, only twice did we use Genie plus (and definitely only use it for magic kingdom or Hollywood studios- there is hardly any value in Epcot or Animal Kingdom.
The key is to either rope drop and use genie plus later
Or
Don’t rope drop and use genie plus as soon as you arrive
Just don’t arrive at rope drop and waste that valuable time using your g+ reservations in the first few hours because availability will be gone early so shoot to book them later. Use that time for standby.
Even if you don’t park hop, you can show up to a park with three + genie plus reservations waiting on you and have half your day free and basically experience no wait in the parks
The key is to either rope drop and use genie plus later
Or
Don’t rope drop and use genie plus as soon as you arrive
Just don’t arrive at rope drop and waste that valuable time using your g+ reservations in the first few hours because availability will be gone early so shoot to book them later. Use that time for standby.
Even if you don’t park hop, you can show up to a park with three + genie plus reservations waiting on you and have half your day free and basically experience no wait in the parks
Posted on 2/7/22 at 4:28 pm to theantiquetiger
Everything you’re saying is what I’ve heard from other people as well. We were supposed to go at the end of February but we decided to cancel the trip because of all the new BS. Glad we did
This post was edited on 2/7/22 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 2/7/22 at 4:32 pm to LSUfan4444
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Every day had a multi hour mid day break for naps, swimming or drinks
I call BS on anyone that does this routinely on a multi day trip without days of rest.
Leaving the park to get back to the hotel is at least an hour, getting back is a solid hour. I've stayed at the premiums and yes it saves a lot of time but it still a lot. Swimming? I mean my kids won't go to a disney pool for under 1-2 hours. Changing, showering, etc.
I mean that's a half day to leave the park and do all that. If you stay at an Epcot resort and walk to Epcot, sure you can do that. But staying anywhere else and hitting a pool or something else and then going to epcot or a park closing show is just not realistic for 99% of people.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 4:34 pm to baldona
After reading this thread I'm seriously considering a vasectomy.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 4:36 pm to LaLadyinTx
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I don't think the point was to allow more people to ride the big rides. I think from the Disney perspective, the point was to keep those people in the park longer. Don't let them get the rides done by noon. Make them stay still 3 and spend more money in the park or make them pay extra per ride to skip the line. Their intention is always to make more money.
Absolutely, but they go hand in hand. The issue with the previous FP+ was that for many of the big rides you couldn't get a FP+ after a certain time of the day. So people were likely leaving because there was nothing to keep them there.
Everyone does Disney different, I agree the new system sucks how we do it. As Florida Residents I've only been to Disney one time for 4 days and we did one park a day. We usually do a long weekend and do 2 parks, stay for a 3rd to relax, and go home. We usually do rope drop to close at the same time to get our money's worth. Unless there's a deal on park hopper, with little kids they just dont make sense but I've done them before.
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