- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Winter Olympics
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: There is a ton of intellectual dishonesty regarding O
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:01 pm to danfraz
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:01 pm to danfraz
quote:
So Alleva has some responsibility on maybe attempting to push Les out in the form of the Les Miles Clause etc...
Sure it looked bad when Chief bolted
But Alleva had the chance to do the right thing after the A&M game last year.
When he didn't fire Les and gave him a new life Miles had the chance to do the right thing.
He made NO changes to offense or special teams and he trotted B. Harris out and took 2 shitty losses.
No conspiracy. All on Les.
1
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:01 pm to Hot Carl
quote:Anything you say after you say you defended Alleva with the JJ hire is discredited automatically. If you were stupid enough to think that was a good hire, it's no wonder why you are here defending O.
I have (half-heartedly) defended Alleva, mainly because I think he made really good hires--at the time--with Trent and Nikki.
Point is, we had a chance to make a splash and put the rest of CFB on notice that we were serious about cementing ourselves as a top 5-10 program. We even got a head start on everyone, which is part of the reason Alleva fired Miles when he did. Yet, when the first sign of Herman and Jimbo wanting to negotiate came (which is what they're supposed to do), our AD ran home like a spoiled little bitch that got his feelings hurt.
You can put 50 more reasons up there to try and defend this hire, and each and every one of them is bullshite. Fact is, our AD is fricking horrible and acts like a spoiled kid when agents do their job.
He doesn't expect agents to do their job because then he has to do his. Instead, he's taken the lazy and easiest route in all his hires here. The guy is bitch made, plain and simple.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:01 pm to Hot Carl
quote:
He obviously had his eyes on the job from the get-go.
He used the same binder technique to land the Ole Miss job. Here's what he did:
1.) Open "Binder.docx"
2.) Ctrl+F "Ole Miss"
3.) Replace "LSU"
4.) Print
5.) Bind at the nearest Kinkos
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:02 pm to wildtigercat93
Indeed. Ed Orgeron is likely the worst coach in Ole Miss' modern history (post integration). Let that sink in for a moment. OM has not won the SEC since integration....and he is considered their worst coach.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:05 pm to kbro
quote:
Alleva had the chance to do the right thing after the A&M game last year.
This is where the problem lies brother. Blame Les all you want for not changing. I loved and still love Les for what he did here. But he should have NEVER been kept after he was basically publicly fired. Expecting him to change was on the administration, not on Les. Just view it differently than you, maybe more years of seeing things. JMO
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:05 pm to danfraz
The players at his last couple of stops seem to like and respect him. And he had moderate success there. The Ole Miss days just are not relevant anymore.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:08 pm to Rou Leed
quote:
The players at his last couple of stops seem to like and respect him. And he had moderate success there.
Such a short sided view.
There is a major difference in being in charge for basically 3 months at those two stops you speak of and 3 years at Ole Miss. Talk to me in 4 years, I believe you will have a different opinion if you are honest with yourself.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:09 pm to Rou Leed
It's always relevant. That's incredibly stupid to believe otherwise.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:10 pm to danfraz
quote:This is one of my worries as well.
Micromanaged and created a atmosphere of fear from some assistant coaches, who lost all respect for him, leading to players having zero respect.
Valentine hardly played once O got the job. Key was suspended, but why? Seems like a coach being an a-hole trying to show he's got control, when that's not how it works. There are things you can do in practice to achieve this, not sitting players out of games bc you feel they may have disrespected some 1000 year old DL coach.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:12 pm to DeltaDoc
Irrelevant. He is taking over a good roster with a good staff with a culture of winning. Not comparable to mid 90s Ole Miss.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:15 pm to Sev09
quote:
He used the same binder technique to land the Ole Miss job. Here's what he did:
1.) Open "Binder.docx"
2.) Ctrl+F "Ole Miss"
3.) Replace "LSU"
4.) Print
5.) Bind at the nearest Kinkos
Technically, that would be Ctrl+H, unless he is stupid, like you.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:16 pm to Rou Leed
quote:
Not comparable to mid 90s Ole Miss.
He didn't take over a mid-90s Ole Miss. He took over a team that was a year removed from a ten win season and 7-1 in the SEC. His trajectory was downhill because, if you read the book Meat Market by Bruce Feldman, you would see he doesn't have the organizational skills to be a head coach and sustain a program. He almost certainly didn't deserve this job based on his resume though. It was a terrible decision by all parties involved.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:17 pm to Rou Leed
quote:
Rou Leed
So then you would agree that:
Ole Miss was a dump before Ed O got there and he lacks the skills to identify problems, hire the right people, deploy them effectively, and turn it around?
Or are you saying that structurally, Ole Miss was incapable of supporting a winning coach? So O is actually a good coach in a bad position?
I mean saying this:
quote:
He is taking over a good roster with a good staff with a culture of winning.
Combined with his previous stop says that O can't hire a good staff and create a culture of winning. He needs it in place before he is hired?
If that is true, then there is something wrong with O as a coach, right? He has many deficiencies that could possibly affect his ability to be a successful coach?
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:19 pm to Rou Leed
I respectfully disagree. He is taking over a roster in flux that is about to lose most of its leadership. He is taking over a roster with no meaningful bowl wins and that does not contain one player that has beaten Alabama. He's taking over a roster that has never won the West. LSU could easily tilt and slide in a way that will take a decade to overcome. The brand is at stake here.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:24 pm to crazy4lsu
that's what's funny about the "he learned from some of the best...Pete Carroll, Jimmy Johnson" crowd. Well yeah he coached under those guys before the Ole Miss job.
Its not like he failed at Ole Miss and then took jobs with those two after to see how things should be done.
Its not like he failed at Ole Miss and then took jobs with those two after to see how things should be done.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:25 pm to BilJ
He certainly didn't learn anything from them and put it to use at Ole Miss.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:28 pm to BilJ
quote:
Its not like he failed at Ole Miss and then took jobs with those two after to see how things should be done.
Exactly. How could he have learned something different, considering where he has been. He coached under Sean Payton, Lane Kiffin and Les Miles. I'm sure he was eagerly typing notes about each and everything they did.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:28 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
Personally, I wanted Miles gone in 2015, however, I would never discredit his run. The guy was a top tier coach at one point in time.
I will say this, i kinda agree with the other guy, i dont think he ever was elite. i think it was more of the stars all aligned, he had Jimbo as an OC and Pelini as his DC.. during his prime years.. I think they did 99% of the work.. I think you saw the real Miles in the last 4 years.. And youre right about we just hired another guy just like him.. Aranda is worth twice as much as Orgeron, and he will get sick of it after next year and leave for the NFL.. Book it..
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:32 pm to Freauxzen
Ole Miss has not shown the ability to sustain long term success in SEC football in the modern era. They have had alot of peaks and valleys. They have had well respected coaches experience temporary success but it has been fleating and always ends poorly. The culture and structure of Os current situation is much better.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:33 pm to Rou Leed
quote:
Ole Miss has not shown the ability to sustain long term success in SEC football in the modern era. They have had alot of peaks and valleys. They have had well respected coaches experience temporary success but it has been fleating and always ends poorly. The culture and structure of Os current situation is much better.
Yet in the last 20 years, Ole Miss has had 8 losing seasons. O's tenure accounted for 3 of them.
People can hem and haw about Ole Miss's supposed poor organizational structure. The fact remains that O was historically bad, even when you add Ole Miss's also-ran context.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 2:35 pm
Page 9 of 11
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News