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From Day 1 it was insanely obvious what to do around Zion: Get Shooters
Posted on 10/30/24 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 10/30/24 at 2:03 pm
From the moment Zion stepped into the league, it was readily apparent what a roster surrounding him needed to be. A bunch of guys that can shoot the frick out of the ball.
Everyone in basketball knew it. Everyone in basketball has talked about it for 6 years.
Six Years.
And we still haven't done it. The project of every move, every trade should have been: get fricking shooters. And we haven't.
CJ, Hawk and Trey, ok. The rest of the team cannot and does not take 3s with any amount of volume
I'm sick of Griff just like I'm sick of Willie.
Everyone in basketball knew it. Everyone in basketball has talked about it for 6 years.
Six Years.
And we still haven't done it. The project of every move, every trade should have been: get fricking shooters. And we haven't.
CJ, Hawk and Trey, ok. The rest of the team cannot and does not take 3s with any amount of volume
I'm sick of Griff just like I'm sick of Willie.
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Posted on 10/30/24 at 2:10 pm to Fun Bunch
It would help if Zion developed an NBA shot, being that he has been in the NBA for 6 years now.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 2:20 pm to saints5021
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It would help if Zion developed an NBA shot, being that he has been in the NBA for 6 years now.
People just gloss over this. The dude can barely make a 16 footer consistently. Just think of zion with an outside shot. He would be unguardable.
He hasn't added anything to his game really. Most great players add at least one new skill ever off-season.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 2:21 pm to Fun Bunch
Dejounte Murray is pretty lethal. Once he’s back, the surge will begin.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 2:28 pm to Chalkywhite84
quote:This
He hasn't added anything to his game really. Most great players add at least one new skill ever off-season.
Maybe I'm reading a bit but the only 2 things one can argue he improved aren't really things I think he improved due to hard work.
1. His passing has improved, absolutely. But you don't have to put in hard work in the offseason. Just playing 5+ seasons, you'll get to know the NBA game better and improve organically.
2. Defense - I'm not sure his defense has ever changed much. It's just effort. When he doesn't care and doesn't try, not good. When he does, he's solid. He just tries less than he gives effort.
So back to your point, what exactly has he clearly improved upon in 5+ years solely due to just working hard at that craft over these years? I don't see anything.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 2:40 pm to lsuguy84
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Dejounte Murray is pretty lethal.
At shooting from the outside? Not really.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 2:41 pm to shel311
Can Zion play at an MVP level? Yes. Is he a "generational talent" that has been surpassed by multiple players in much less than a generation? Also yes.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 2:44 pm to saints5021
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It would help if Zion developed an NBA shot, being that he has been in the NBA for 6 years now.
I know you mean in general, but I have been saying this the entire time. People don’t seem to care because he is a highlight reel.
Like I said with CJ, we laughed at his overall basketball skills / height when he was with Portland. Now some like him cause he hits 3’s.
It’s like we judge players on a scale when they put on a pelicans uniform. If they do anything above average, we forgive / forget negative stuff.
Just pure basketball on court from our big names, Jose / CJ / Zion would be gone if ‘Chip is goal. BI would be gone if he refuses to play modern basketball.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 2:45 pm to TigerinATL
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Can Zion play at an MVP level? Yes.
Can he though?
We've seen spurts, but nothing sustained, which I think that sustainability is a big part of someone playing at an "MVP level"
Posted on 10/30/24 at 2:49 pm to Fun Bunch
You can’t have a team full of shooters and expect to check other pertinent boxes
As it stands we have three guys who can go 40% on bulk attempts in Murphy, CJ and Hawkins. Ingram, Herb, and Murray are capable to knock down open looks
The personnel finally isn’t the issue imo
I said it last year and I’ll say it again this year; Trey Murphy and his development is the key to unlocking this roster
As it stands we have three guys who can go 40% on bulk attempts in Murphy, CJ and Hawkins. Ingram, Herb, and Murray are capable to knock down open looks
The personnel finally isn’t the issue imo
I said it last year and I’ll say it again this year; Trey Murphy and his development is the key to unlocking this roster
Posted on 10/30/24 at 3:00 pm to GynoSandberg
I get why people feel like it's Deja Vu all over again, but the 2 guys that are out do kind of make everything else work. If they can get healthy...
This post was edited on 10/30/24 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 10/30/24 at 3:00 pm to TigerinATL
quote:I think that book is closed.
Can Zion play at an MVP level? Yes.
He doesn't have enough of an offensive game to truly be MVP level.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 3:07 pm to TigerinATL
Yea we need to see it before we start calling for heads.
That said, we still should beating teams like GS without curry
That said, we still should beating teams like GS without curry
Posted on 10/30/24 at 3:08 pm to TigerinATL
Willie sticking with Zion, Hawk, Green, Missi, and Jose for like 5 minutes. That was the worst lineup I’ve ever seen and it dissipated our lead immediately. This is where we are missing the depth of DJM and Trey but how is that the lineup that’s put out there to protect our 20 point lead? I swear he called a timeout midway through GS’s run and then put the same damn 5 out there.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 3:57 pm to GynoSandberg
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That said, we still should beating teams like GS without curry
Definitely shouldn't lose the last 2/3 of the game by 38 points without him.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 4:11 pm to Fun Bunch
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CJ, Hawk and Trey, ok. The rest of the team cannot and does not take 3s with any amount of volume
I mean how many other guys do you want?
You going to replace Herb? Jose?
I guess you can criticize the Daniels selection.
We did jettison 2 non-3PT guys in Zo/Hart.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 4:17 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I honestly think we have a good deal of shooting. And it’s shown in our percentages. Problems are that we need a unicorn center to fit next to Zion which isn’t really attainable, and our lack of ball handling.
Of course, there’s also coaching, injuries, current lack of point guard and center play, our best player showing very little effort and the rest of the team often following his lead, and on and on.
Of course, there’s also coaching, injuries, current lack of point guard and center play, our best player showing very little effort and the rest of the team often following his lead, and on and on.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 4:17 pm to SEC Doctor
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At shooting from the outside? Not really.
He was 22nd in the league in made 3’s last year (27th in 3’s made per game). He only shot 36%, but that doesn’t really matter. We just need guys who can and will take 3’s.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 4:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I mean how many other guys do you want?
Right
If I just asked quickly without looking which team had more shooters, the Pels or the Magic, pretty sure everyone would answer Pels, no brainer.
The Magic are averaging over 40 3s per game so far. We're at 30...
Posted on 10/30/24 at 4:46 pm to Fun Bunch
They added CJ, and spent 1st round picks on Trey and hawk. They’ve definitely added shooters we just have a brain dead coach who still hasn’t figured out his rotations and how to enforce an offense that uses spacing
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