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Thinking Out Loud - California Wild Fires
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:36 am
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:36 am
Multi million dollar homes and businesses burning to the ground, why hasn't a self contained fire suppression system been developed? Couldn't a foam be sprayed over the structure via a sprinkler system? 
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:37 am to HeadSlash
The scale of these fires is way above your comprehension level.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:37 am to HeadSlash
If only they had fire extinguishing bollards in place this never would have happened
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:38 am to HeadSlash
These fires are much too hot for small scale. They would evaporate those instantly.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:38 am to HeadSlash
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why hasn't a self contained fire suppression system been developed
A lot of those homes do have them.
It didn't matter.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:39 am to HeadSlash
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Thinking Out Loud - California Wild Fires
Are you though? This is a message board. No one can hear you.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:39 am to HeadSlash
It has. Check out the Getty museum in the interactive fire map posted earlier. Now, I doubt most could afford it.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:40 am to HeadSlash
They ain't got enough water to mix with the foam.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:42 am to HeadSlash
The magnitude of the fire is too great for any sophisticated or expensive foam system
Do you realize how big of a fire they have out there?
...and that this is probably once-in-a-lifetime thing for the palisades?
Do you realize how big of a fire they have out there?
...and that this is probably once-in-a-lifetime thing for the palisades?
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 10:48 am
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:46 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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expensive phone system
That expensive phone (sic) system should automatically call 911 and the Police and fire departments and let your family and friends know you've evacuated and ...
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:48 am to HeadSlash
do they not have pumps that they can use ocean water to keep the hydrants from running out ? I can understand more inland because of pressure drop but doesn't make any since in and around PCH areas.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:51 am to brsa
NYFD uses fireboats with 40,000 GPM pumps. They sure as hell could be used for Pacific Palisades.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:52 am to brsa
quote:What do you think happens to land if you pour ocean water filled with salt on it?
do they not have pumps that they can use ocean water to keep the hydrants from running out ?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:53 am to HeadSlash
The whole thing seems like it's planned, produced, orchestrated, intentional- like a Hollywood movie production.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:53 am to HeadSlash
With 40mph winds with gusts over hurricane force you're fighting wind-driven embers. They're the biggest threat in these instances. Everyone sees the giant wall of flames, but those embers are what starts everything.
The solution is fire hardening areas in direct contact with wilderness. That is going to have to be the approach going forward with homes that survive and those that are rebuilt. Fire proof roofing, fencing, block/concrete homes, well managed native landscaping, and integrated or easily implemented portable sprinkler systems are all must-haves. That said, what they've had over the past two days and counting is absolutely perfect fire conditions. It is the type of setup a disaster movie would portray. It is impossible to stop the spread of any fire in these conditions with everything being perfect. It is why when similar fires happen in actual wilderness during similar setups they just let it burn. There is no containing it until Nature finally breaks.
The solution is fire hardening areas in direct contact with wilderness. That is going to have to be the approach going forward with homes that survive and those that are rebuilt. Fire proof roofing, fencing, block/concrete homes, well managed native landscaping, and integrated or easily implemented portable sprinkler systems are all must-haves. That said, what they've had over the past two days and counting is absolutely perfect fire conditions. It is the type of setup a disaster movie would portray. It is impossible to stop the spread of any fire in these conditions with everything being perfect. It is why when similar fires happen in actual wilderness during similar setups they just let it burn. There is no containing it until Nature finally breaks.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:54 am to brsa
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do they not have pumps that they can use ocean water to keep the hydrants from running out ?
Fire is much healthier for the vegatation than salting the earth while fighting them.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:55 am to coastland909
quote:Yeah the government planned and produced the 40mph winds they've been getting. Gotta be the evil government. Definitely not nature doing what it's been doing for millions of years. The government.
The whole thing seems like it's planned, produced, orchestrated, intentional- like a Hollywood movie production.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:55 am to Harry Caray
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What do you think happens to land if you pour ocean water filled with salt on it?
What do you think happens to land if you DON'T pour ocean water filled with salt on it?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:56 am to brsa
quote:Vegetation will actually grow back afterwards
What do you think happens to land if you DON'T pour ocean water filled with salt on it?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:58 am to HeadSlash
There was a video on twitter of two guys and a dog in their home with the fire suppression system spraying water, eventually the house burned to the ground.
They got out.
With the shortage of water I doubt it would work if every house started pulling from the water source.
A better Idea would be to allow the water from up north to flow south (sounds simple), say frick the Smelt Fish and maybe clear dead underbrush annually (illegal).
These are common sense though which is in short supply in California.
They got out.
With the shortage of water I doubt it would work if every house started pulling from the water source.
A better Idea would be to allow the water from up north to flow south (sounds simple), say frick the Smelt Fish and maybe clear dead underbrush annually (illegal).
These are common sense though which is in short supply in California.
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