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Trump has signed an EO to give a ton of fed money to parents of public school children!
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:35 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:35 am
Longtime lurker. I just wanted to put this out because I didn’t see it. One of the president’s EOs last night dealt the education. Biggest on the list was fed funds for parents to send kids to private schools. It’s like GATOR times a million. Public schools will be completely dead if this comes to pass. I’m all for it. There are some good country schools, but if my kid had to go to Shooting Alley High and I couldn’t afford to get him out, I would be all over this.
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The order on school choice — an issue that Trump has been pushing for eight years — could be a huge win for conservative activists and politicians who have been advocating for decades to make it easier for families to spend taxpayer funds on private education. The order involves multiple agencies in the effort to provide taxpayer funds to parents to pay for private schools.
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:44 am to Lurker No More
One step closer to getting rid of the Dept of Education and Teacher's Unions. Saving the taxpayers billions and getting rid of the Democrat Teacher's union.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:45 am to Lurker No More
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Longtime lurker.
Oh yeah? What is the 1st board you started lurking on?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:46 am to Lurker No More
I’m not against a poor kid and in a poor neighborhood getting a better opportunity to be a productive citizen by avoiding their failing public school.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:47 am to Lurker No More
I would like to start a movement; please start referring to them as GOVERNMENT schools. Public bestows a respectability on them that they don’t deserve.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:52 am to Lsupimp
Failing schools continue failing and dat government $$ just keeps rolling in. Nothing changes but those principals and Superintendents making bank while teachers make shite and deal with young undisciplined kids. Teachers quit and the same cycle continues.
Two peas in a failing pod
Two peas in a failing pod
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:53 am to Lsupimp
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please start referring to them as GOVERNMENT schools
I like this.
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Public bestows a respectability on them that they don’t deserve.
Also bestows accountability on them that doesn’t exist. Re: teachers and administrators telling parents to frick off, they’ll teach kids what they want.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:56 am to Lurker No More
If it’s a private school the parent may have the money but does the school have to take the child?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:57 am to Lurker No More
So, on your first post you link CNN.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:01 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
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If it’s a private school the parent may have the money but does the school have to take the child?
The better question is whether or not a private school who accepts voucher money has to get in compliance with certain regulations
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:06 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
quote:you ever applied to a private school? There are application processes and not everyone gets accepted.
If it’s a private school the parent may have the money but does the school have to take the child?
Hell most have interviews of you and the kids.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:10 pm to Ten Bears
EBR is the perfect place to initiate this. 40,000 students now and the spend is like $15,000 per kid to get a terrible education except at the magnet schools. This action will eliminate a lot of the political bureaucracy that sucks all the money away from the kids and good teachers. Not sure how the private schools can absorb all these kids but private enterprise will make it happen and the outcomes for the kids will be much better. This is our only hope for the future.
Wonder what Trump can do to solve the public transportation employment scam known as CATS? I’d UBERIZE it tomorrow. Come on Sid Edwards. The CATS employees want to strike as it is. Do it now.
Wonder what Trump can do to solve the public transportation employment scam known as CATS? I’d UBERIZE it tomorrow. Come on Sid Edwards. The CATS employees want to strike as it is. Do it now.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:26 pm to dovehunter
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EBR is the perfect place to initiate this. 40,000 students now and the spend is like $15,000 per kid to get a terrible education except at the magnet schools
As a parent of EBR students that attended both magnet and non magnet schools....the bureaucracy is part of the problem but the major problem is the students themselves and their parents.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:28 pm to Lurker No More
quote:you are part of the rebel alliance and a traitor!
Lurker No More
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:29 pm to ThuperThumpin
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is the students themselves and their parents
replace their with "A" parent
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:34 pm to ThuperThumpin
Of course Thuper. I agree. Maybe a dilution of these students across a variety of private locations may help the situation. We can’t seem to spend our way out of the problem. Of course you run the risk of diluting the quality of education in those private schools that take in the “problem families”. Something needs to give. One would think spending $15,000per kid would be enough money to solve the problem as long as you can eliminate the cost of the political bureaucracy.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:36 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
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Saving the taxpayers billions
Can you connect those dots for me?
It's not that I doubt you, but it's just not readily apparent to me how using taxpayer funds to send kids to private schools is going to save money.
Not much, anyway.
A quick Google search indicates that the average spent per student in public schools is just over $16,000 per year, whereas the average private high school tuition is around $15,500 per year. Not a whole lot of difference.
*Actually, the per student per year number varies widely depending upon who you ask, it seems. While I found the number above, I also found numbers as high as almost $20,000 per year per student for public schools, which would be a significant difference.
I'm not opposed so much to using taxpayer dollars specifically for private schools, I'm of a much more radical mindset in that I don't understand why everyone just accepts that taxpayers have an obligation to pay for other children's education, be it public OR private.
IMO the traditional education model is obsolete and highly inefficient. That goes for public and private education. So if we really want to save money...
I can see the need for traditional classroom instruction through maybe 5th or 6th grade for all subjects. After that, it isn't necessary for most subjects.
Once kids can read and do basic math, there's no reason they can't learn biology, history, English, psychology, computer science, foundational math, geography, earth sciences, anatomy, and a host of other classes online, self directed.
Classes like higher math, physics, foreign languages, art, music, classes with labs, etc. could be taught partially in person and partially online, meeting, say, two days a week and self-directing the other three. Tutors could be available for students having difficulty with the entirely self-directed courses.
This cuts the number of teachers and facilities needed by significantly more than half. Even if the schools provided computer labs for students who didn't have a computer or internet access at home, that's still a fraction of the cost of what we spend now. Even if the government instead paid for a new laptop every 3-4 years and paid for internet access for each child so that a computer lab would be unnecessary, that would STILL save a significant amount of money.
IMO parents need to be responsible for their children learning, not other taxpayers. I wouldn't massively object to an efficient system like the one I described above, but it's weird to me that people just accept compulsory, government directed, mass education without any contemplation whatsoever, and just assume that taxpayers have a responsibility to pay for it.
And before someone gives me, "Well great, we'll just let our country become illiterate," that's what's already happening. We're spending all of this taxpayer money on education and we're STILL illiterate.
According to the DOE's own number, 1 in 5 high school graduates is illiterate. That doesn't count the ones who dropped out. The national illiteracy rate is 21%, but that doesn't count the "low literacy" rate. That's people who can't read at all.
According o the National Center for Education Statistics, 54%—OVER HALF—of American adults read below a sixth grade level. 70% of inmates in prison read below a 4th grade level.
By contrast, in 1959 the national literacy rate was less than 10% (in most states it was less than 3%). We still had Jim Crow, we still had segregated schools, we spent far less in adjusted dollars on each student yet we got far better results.
And IMO the reason why is that children lived in two parent households and more of those households cared that the child got an education. The attitude of the parents and how much they pay attention to what's happening with their child is what dictates whether a child learns or not, not how much the school spends on him or her, or even whether the child is going to a public or private school.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:36 pm to CarRamrod
My point…. Everyone talks about “oh it’s good for the kid” unless the school doesn’t let you in.
What happens when a there’s not a private (good) school to take in a kid? He or she will have to go back to a “failing”school?
What demographic will this happen to the most?
Will private school just raise their tuition more than the money the parents receive?
What happens when a there’s not a private (good) school to take in a kid? He or she will have to go back to a “failing”school?
What demographic will this happen to the most?
Will private school just raise their tuition more than the money the parents receive?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:39 pm to ThuperThumpin
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As a parent of EBR students that attended both magnet and non magnet schools....the bureaucracy is part of the problem but the major problem is the students themselves and their parents.
This is the correct answer.
Turns out you can't make children learn if they don't want to and their parents don't care whether they do or not.
No matter if you spend a million dollars a student.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:48 pm to wackatimesthree
It’s not so much about how much is spent vs how it is spent. I contend that the public schools like everything in government is not efficient or cost effective. Too much is spent on things other than the mission regardless of the intentions. $15,000 spent on a public school is not spent like $15,000 at a local Catholic School.
Now you have to get these kids early on. If they aren’t immersed by the time they are 5-6 years old it’s probably too late. The example set at the private school is priceless to a really young child. Maybe then they have a fighting chance to overcome their parents.
Now you have to get these kids early on. If they aren’t immersed by the time they are 5-6 years old it’s probably too late. The example set at the private school is priceless to a really young child. Maybe then they have a fighting chance to overcome their parents.
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