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Posted on 2/18/26 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 12:58 pm
Very long read and some of y’all won’t read it and that’s ok, But for the ones that will it’s very good data about the spread of CWD and how its matches and connects with the spread of alfalfa & dairy farms throughout the United States.
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Posted on 2/18/26 at 1:09 pm to Jim Hopper
Link or tidbits from it, I don’t have fakebook
Posted on 2/18/26 at 2:24 pm to WillFerrellisking
Very, very long read but long story short:
“Everything I have posted on each state is facts. I don't have facts to show the spread here, other than one contaminated load of alfalfa can severely affect a region.
CWD started in this region around Ames plantation, which is the third oldest registered Angus herd in the United States. This is also a research facility for UT Knoxville and other colleges. They study this property for the best protein and feed for cattle. I'm sure no expense is spared here for these cows in the wintertime.
Ames Plantation is also historically one of the largest hunting clubs in the southeast that work extensively on the QDMA program to grow older bucks.
One other thought, there have been a lot of large cattle farms in this area that have transitioned into farming row crops. Anyone that lives in this area knows that browsing in cattle farms is not preferred for deer. It's obvious by seeing the cattle stretch their necks out through fences to get fresh browse. If these cattle farms had exposed western alfalfa in the wintertime year after year, then became row crops of beans and corn, it would have become a perfect storm for CWD.
LET ME BE CLEAR- 1 am NOT trying to stop or hurt the alfalfa, cattle, beef or dairy industries. The point I'm making is that those vectors transfer infinitely more prions than deer movement, and the regulations put on hunters, deer farmers, and the hunting industry at large is unfair and akin to spitting on a house fire. It should stop. It is doing more damage to industries in the state and to the heritage of deer hunting than it will ever stop any CWD spread.”
He’s blaming it on Alfalfa importation from infected areas.
“Everything I have posted on each state is facts. I don't have facts to show the spread here, other than one contaminated load of alfalfa can severely affect a region.
CWD started in this region around Ames plantation, which is the third oldest registered Angus herd in the United States. This is also a research facility for UT Knoxville and other colleges. They study this property for the best protein and feed for cattle. I'm sure no expense is spared here for these cows in the wintertime.
Ames Plantation is also historically one of the largest hunting clubs in the southeast that work extensively on the QDMA program to grow older bucks.
One other thought, there have been a lot of large cattle farms in this area that have transitioned into farming row crops. Anyone that lives in this area knows that browsing in cattle farms is not preferred for deer. It's obvious by seeing the cattle stretch their necks out through fences to get fresh browse. If these cattle farms had exposed western alfalfa in the wintertime year after year, then became row crops of beans and corn, it would have become a perfect storm for CWD.
LET ME BE CLEAR- 1 am NOT trying to stop or hurt the alfalfa, cattle, beef or dairy industries. The point I'm making is that those vectors transfer infinitely more prions than deer movement, and the regulations put on hunters, deer farmers, and the hunting industry at large is unfair and akin to spitting on a house fire. It should stop. It is doing more damage to industries in the state and to the heritage of deer hunting than it will ever stop any CWD spread.”
He’s blaming it on Alfalfa importation from infected areas.
Posted on 2/18/26 at 2:36 pm to Jim Hopper
His claim would be way more effective if he knew how to compile data and run statistical analysis. Correlation and causation are two totally different things.
Alfalfa is a large part of the animal feeding industry and has been for a long time. If it was as simple as that, cwd would have exploded many decades ago across the entire country.
Alfalfa is a large part of the animal feeding industry and has been for a long time. If it was as simple as that, cwd would have exploded many decades ago across the entire country.
Posted on 2/18/26 at 2:52 pm to Piebald Panther
quote:who’s the say it didn’t when CWD testing only began in the late 90’s early 2000’s in most states.
If it was as simple as that, cwd would have exploded many decades ago across the entire country.
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 2:52 pm to Jim Hopper
Posters here that have completely gobbled up the CWD hysteria will not like this
Posted on 2/18/26 at 2:59 pm to Jack Daniel
quote:If they want to keep listening to the clowns of the national deer association and wildlife government agencies who have no idea how to manage their own state public land instead of people who have spent their life studying the whitetail deer such as Don Higgins, Mark Buxton, and Dr Deer so be it. I choose to be on the side of those three.
Posters here that have completely gobbled up the CWD hysteria will not like this
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 3:14 pm to Jim Hopper
The scale of the spread should be exponentially higher if the main culprit is agricultural products moving across the country, which is why that theory doesn't make sense.
That's not a statement on the danger or lack thereof for CWD.
That's not a statement on the danger or lack thereof for CWD.
Posted on 2/18/26 at 3:15 pm to Jim Hopper
Yep. Bronson Strickland at the MSU deer lab is a prime example. Only people pushing hysteria are the ones wanting more funding from govt.
Very few people know more about whitetail than Dr Deer but he’s not affiliated with federal funding. Is he pushing CWD panic?
Very few people know more about whitetail than Dr Deer but he’s not affiliated with federal funding. Is he pushing CWD panic?
Posted on 2/18/26 at 3:17 pm to Piebald Panther
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Alfalfa is a large part of the animal feeding industry and has been for a long time. If it was as simple as that, cwd would have exploded many decades ago across the entire country.
CWD would be rampant in Ohio
ETA well shite, looks like it’s pretty bad up there
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 3:30 pm to Jim Hopper
I’m not ruling out any possibility, but in the case of Louisiana, how does this jive?
Posted on 2/18/26 at 4:16 pm to geauxbrown
quote:is Louisiana not an agricultural state? Who’s to say waste from some of these cattle areas that were reused and sold as fertilizer possibly used by farmers in tensas, Concordia or Catahoula parish? It’s a logical theory.
I’m not ruling out any possibility, but in the case of Louisiana, how does this jive?
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 4:52 pm to Jim Hopper
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Who’s to say waste from some of these cattle areas that was reused and sold as fertilizer possibly used by farmers in tensas, Concordia or Catahoula parish?
I’m not really following the math here. Bean field eaten by cattle create cwd in deer?
Posted on 2/18/26 at 5:32 pm to Jim Hopper
It’s really not logical from a scale standpoint. The amount of products that are distributed and used from these areas should result in an outbreak scenario where there would be massive amounts of infected animals being observed.
It should look more like the spread of covid, not the slow gradual movement that it has demonstrated.
Washington and Tangipahoa our two dairy parishes should be riddled with CWD based on his theory.
It should look more like the spread of covid, not the slow gradual movement that it has demonstrated.
Washington and Tangipahoa our two dairy parishes should be riddled with CWD based on his theory.
Posted on 2/18/26 at 5:37 pm to Jim Hopper
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If they want to keep listening to the clowns of the national deer association and wildlife government agencies who have no idea how to manage their own state public land
We have more deer now than we ever have had. I think our state agencies are doing just fine. Many of them have studied deer their entire life as well and not just from textbooks If I asked 100 deer hunters how they would like our state deer herd managed I would get 100 different answers
If I wanted to hear about trophy management and food plots I would consult with those three above. But they are not veterinarians or epidimiologists which is who I would listen to when it comes to CWD
This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 2/18/26 at 5:49 pm to Ron Cheramie
quote:tell that to the average public land hunter in Louisiana or Mississippi.
We have more deer now than we ever have had.
Posted on 2/18/26 at 6:15 pm to Ron Cheramie
quote:He was never gone be more than a spike anyway.
If I asked 100 deer hunters how they would like our state deer herd managed I would get 100 different answers
Posted on 2/18/26 at 6:51 pm to Jim Hopper
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tell that to the average public land hunter in Louisiana or Mississippi
The majority of hunters these days have no clue how to actually hunt. If they don’t have a food plot or a corn pile then they have no clue. See the threads on here where posters are bitching about too many acorns being the reason they didn’t kill any deer this year. It’s embarrassing and they are too ignorant to know it
Posted on 2/18/26 at 7:58 pm to jorconalx
Prions are remarkably durable — they survive in soil for years, resist standard disinfection, and can be taken up by plants. So the concept that agricultural products could serve as a transmission vector isn't crazy on its face. And the broader point that regulatory focus falls disproportionately on hunters while largely ignoring agricultural pathways is worth examining. If contaminated feed were the primary driver, you'd expect a much more rapid and geographically scattered outbreak pattern, not the relatively slow, contiguous spread that's actually been documented.
Posted on 2/18/26 at 9:07 pm to Jack Daniel
I dont know what the truth is but if you don’t think Kroll is incentivized to pick the side he’s chosen then you definitely aren’t qualified to debate wildlife pathology.
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