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Star Trek vs Transformers
Posted on 7/1/09 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 7/1/09 at 2:34 pm
The Transformers boosters will ignore all the plotholes, the nonexistent character development and 1st grade humor and say its a great movie because "its robots from space, it doesn't have to make sense. I want ACTION ACTION ACTION." (Sounds kinda like a NASCAR or WWE fan but thats beside the point) When Shia LeBouf "died" temporarily, I didn't care, the character meant nothing to me.
Star Trek is about aliens from space as well but had character development, just enough humor from Simon Pegg et al to lighten the mood, no glaring plot holes unless you are a Star Trek historian and the action wasn't overwhelming. Not to mention it cost half as much to make as TF2.
JJ Abrams>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Michael Bay
Star Trek is about aliens from space as well but had character development, just enough humor from Simon Pegg et al to lighten the mood, no glaring plot holes unless you are a Star Trek historian and the action wasn't overwhelming. Not to mention it cost half as much to make as TF2.
JJ Abrams>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Michael Bay
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Posted on 7/1/09 at 2:47 pm to Cosmo
I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority will agree that Star Trek was far and away better than TF2.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 2:47 pm to Cosmo
Posted on 7/1/09 at 2:53 pm to Cosmo
What's funny is that they were written by the same guys. Although I'm sure they were given different orders from the different directors.
"OK, I already have these action scenes in my mental vault. Just get from action scene 1 to action scene 2 in 10 pages or less. Once you get there, you can just write BAY BLOWS shite UP and I'll take it from there."
"OK, I already have these action scenes in my mental vault. Just get from action scene 1 to action scene 2 in 10 pages or less. Once you get there, you can just write BAY BLOWS shite UP and I'll take it from there."
Posted on 7/1/09 at 2:57 pm to Augustus
quote:
Once you get there, you can just write BAY BLOWS shite UP and I'll take it from there."
Posted on 7/1/09 at 3:16 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Look Transformers was strictly popcorn fare. Those who say it was a great movie don't know what a great movie is. I saw and I enjoyed for what it was. Star Trekis definitely a better film as its plot, action and character development outweigh TF2 by leaps in bounds. Also Star Trek makes up for plot holes by changing the future at the beginning of the film. Any connections to past movies is erased when Kirk's father dies. Im not saying Star Trek was great in anyway. It was just a better film than TF2.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 3:31 pm to mbt2465
The "strictly popcorn fare" argument is basically a concession that the movie is pretty horrible and an insult to the viewer's intelligence.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 3:48 pm to Cosmo
quote:I think that is an extreme generalization. I'm not ignoring any plotholes, they just didn't ruin the movie for me. It is Transformers 2, the development happened in the first one. And there was a lot of it. It is at least middle school humor and you know it. For a movie about giant robots from outer space, I'm fine with it.
The Transformers boosters will ignore all the plotholes, the nonexistent character development and 1st grade humor and say its a great movie because "its robots from space, it doesn't have to make sense. I want ACTION ACTION ACTION."
quote:cough bullshite cough
Star Trek...no glaring plot holes
This was discussed at length on this board. It was only for a couple of days though. This Transformers fued is going pretty long.
This post was edited on 7/1/09 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 7/1/09 at 3:49 pm to Sophandros
Star Trek had about 1000 glaring plot holes. There was a 20 page thread on the glaring loop holes and plot problems with Trek.
I was just happy to see the Trek universe so I was willing to look beyond the numerous plot holes.
I will reiterate a few of them for your viewing pleasure.
1. No planet to space weaponry. None. That was absurd. Both on Vulcan and Earth. Neither planet had any surface to Air weaponry that could have vaporized the Massive Contrived Death Drill.
2. No shuttle crafts on the whole planet? Once again, the shuttle crafts could have been used to attack the Massive Contrived Death Drill.
3. No shielding. So the Super Futuristic Death Mining Mobile had NO shields. Any space vessel would require shields. Even the tiniest most worthless ships in space have shields, yet the Super Futuristic Death Mining Mobile had none. How do I know they had none, well since Kirk and Spock were able to beam over to the ship.
4. The drill on Vulcan made it impossible to beam over yet the drill on Earth did not make it impossible to beam over.
5. Everything on the ice planet. From the contrived meeting of Kirk and Spock to the beaming onto a ship at Warp without even knowing the precise location of said ship in warp.
6. So we are to believe that Nero sat around for almost 30 years not even knowing if Spock had already been through the time hole or if he had been destroyed. Remember, Spock's ship went in first. I have seen people argue that the Klingons captured Nero and his crew. Well, if that is true how exactly did he get his ship back. So in 30 years the Klingons were unable to reverse engineer the technology?
7. Motivation. The whole Nero hates Spock and the Federation even though they were trying to help Romulus. That was almost as bad as the motivation for the bad guy in the last Trek film. Not as if the Federation caused the Sun to go Nova.
There were NUMEROUS other things to nitpick. The movie was actually one huge nitpick, but I still enjoyed it.
To say it had no flaws would be to be.....
I was just happy to see the Trek universe so I was willing to look beyond the numerous plot holes.
I will reiterate a few of them for your viewing pleasure.
1. No planet to space weaponry. None. That was absurd. Both on Vulcan and Earth. Neither planet had any surface to Air weaponry that could have vaporized the Massive Contrived Death Drill.
2. No shuttle crafts on the whole planet? Once again, the shuttle crafts could have been used to attack the Massive Contrived Death Drill.
3. No shielding. So the Super Futuristic Death Mining Mobile had NO shields. Any space vessel would require shields. Even the tiniest most worthless ships in space have shields, yet the Super Futuristic Death Mining Mobile had none. How do I know they had none, well since Kirk and Spock were able to beam over to the ship.
4. The drill on Vulcan made it impossible to beam over yet the drill on Earth did not make it impossible to beam over.
5. Everything on the ice planet. From the contrived meeting of Kirk and Spock to the beaming onto a ship at Warp without even knowing the precise location of said ship in warp.
6. So we are to believe that Nero sat around for almost 30 years not even knowing if Spock had already been through the time hole or if he had been destroyed. Remember, Spock's ship went in first. I have seen people argue that the Klingons captured Nero and his crew. Well, if that is true how exactly did he get his ship back. So in 30 years the Klingons were unable to reverse engineer the technology?
7. Motivation. The whole Nero hates Spock and the Federation even though they were trying to help Romulus. That was almost as bad as the motivation for the bad guy in the last Trek film. Not as if the Federation caused the Sun to go Nova.
There were NUMEROUS other things to nitpick. The movie was actually one huge nitpick, but I still enjoyed it.
To say it had no flaws would be to be.....
This post was edited on 7/1/09 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 7/1/09 at 3:51 pm to mbt2465
quote:
Look Transformers was strictly popcorn fare.
no
star trek was popcorn fare
transformers was shite-covered shite
This post was edited on 7/1/09 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 7/1/09 at 4:21 pm to Cosmo
quote:
JJ Abrams>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Michael Bay
No shite.
I loved Transformers.
I loved Star Trek even more.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 4:29 pm to Sophandros
quote:No, it means I'm not going to analyze the movie over and over until smoke starts coming out of my ears. And then question the status of humanity because some people could actually let themselves enjoy the movie. It's just not that type of movie.
The "strictly popcorn fare" argument is basically a concession that the movie is pretty horrible and an insult to the viewer's intelligence.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 4:35 pm to drizztiger
Most people had their minds made up for them that transformers part deux would suck before they saw it because of the reviews.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 4:40 pm to Kracka
quote:
Most people had their minds made up for them that transformers part deux would suck before they saw it because of the reviews.
Yes, like some of the posters here ripping the movie to sheds that hadn't even seen it yet. How is that even possible?
"Transformers 2 sucked arse."
"Oh, you saw it on opening day?"
"No, I haven't seen it."
"WTF?"
Posted on 7/1/09 at 5:01 pm to Cosmo
Transformers personally
Posted on 7/1/09 at 5:48 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
You have to take each movie for what they are. Neither is a cinematic masterpiece that will win any major awards, unless it is CGI related. I wanted to see aliens and big robots that blow shite up and I saw both and enjoyed both for what they are.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 8:54 pm to rmc
Can't we have a movie which blows crap up which doesn't insult our intellegence as an audience? Can't we have action with decent dialogue and characters we remotely care about?
If a movie has a super huge budget, can't they afford a decent screenwriter?
If a movie has a super huge budget, can't they afford a decent screenwriter?
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