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Loomis and Payton are stubborn

Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:08 am
Posted by Littl3 Nicky
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:08 am
incredibly frustrating watching the current roster management. They probably knew about the mike news a few days ago and did nothing at the deadline.

Phillip Rivers is begging to come play for us through the media. It is pig-headed and stubborn not to sign him. Desean Jackson is a free agent. Go get him.

They won't play instantly, but these moves are so obvious it hurts. Again, the salary cap problem can be circumvented by signing them to two year deals and moving the bulk of their salary to next year.

Get up and sign these men Loomis!
Posted by VA LSU fan
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:10 am to
Same two who have ignored receiver and quarterback for a few years
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:16 am to
You are complaining about them not getting djax, and that hasnt happened yet.
You are complaining about not picking up rivers? How can anyone complain about sean’s decisions on qbs given his success?
Posted by Littl3 Nicky
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:19 am to
This situation is different from the past situations. Whoever our QB is will have to be our starter for the postseason as well, not just a stopgap until drew gets healthy. That is why it is so important that we get a guy whose got the chops to play in the playoffs.

We need to get a QB (& WR)who is just dynamic enough to give our defense a breather when they need it and win us a couple games down the stretch.

Posted by Weekend Warrior79
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:20 am to
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Again, the salary cap problem can be circumvented by signing them to two year deals and moving the bulk of their salary to next year.

The team is up shits creek with next year's cap too; so they are probably trying to avoid that. We all knew there would be a 1-3 year period where the team will have to make tough decisions because of how they handled the cap trying to get Brees 1 last ring. Unfortunately, this is one of those years and we just happen to have a stout defense.
Posted by Littl3 Nicky
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:22 am to
The cap is going to look pretty nice once MT is traded or his salary is transferred down the road. Armstead won't be resigned either way. another couple million on the books to give a legitimate shot at a championship makes too much sense.
Posted by MSG
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:23 am to
Pretty sure released players have to clear waivers…
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:27 am to
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Phillip Rivers is begging to come play for us through the media.


Rivers wasn't good last time he played. I rather roll with Trevor than go spend for a washed up Rivers who hasn't played football in nearly a year.

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Desean Jackson is a free agent. Go get him.



Hasn't even been 24 hours yet. Maybe breath.
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:28 am to
Not disagreeing, but can you really blame them?

They just beat the Super Bowl champs with Trevor Seimian and no Brees, no Michael Thomas, no Jameis Winston and no Taysom.

They live in their own bubble and all they see is that they have a winning formula and won't sell the farm on trades or FA's.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:30 am to
Not really. Saints are currently sitting $56.5M over the estimated $200M cap for 2022. Even as a post 6/01 cut/trade MT's savings would only be $15.8. So, they will still need to find another $40.7M

Also, Armstead will be around for another extension. He has 3 voided years on his current contract, so without an extension he would hit us for $13M in 2022. And, because of the way it's set-up, if not extended he cannot be designated a post-6/01 move to spread it out since he won't be under contract
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:31 am to
You are pure special genius.
Posted by Ed Osteen
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:32 am to
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Desean Jackson is a free agent. Go get him.


The amount of people who openly criticize this team but still have zero understanding of how things work amazes me
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:52 am to
Actually what Payton and Loomis is showing is patience which is to be commended. They are keeping this team very competitive and entertaining as they work through the cap situation that will prevent them from being competitive in the coming years.

They cannot keep pushing the cap limits forever, there is a day the bill has to come due. I believe they know exactly what they are doing just by looking at the receiving corps. This is a group that is always a strength for Paytons offense and they made the choice in the offseason to go with this current group instead of build it back up.

Why go further in cap trouble chasing a new QB when the receivers are just as much a liability? It like putting a new engine in a junker with flat tires, your still not going anywhere.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:58 am to
Good players don't panic when there is adversity, largely because of good coaches that don't panic when there is adversity.

Fans...... well they panic when there is adversity.

Posted by gotiger
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 11:00 am to
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Same two who have ignored receiver and quarterback for a few years



They gonna say hold my beer when we sign Rodgers and Adams this offseason
Posted by Shaq4prez
The Deaf Dome
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 11:08 am to
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incredibly frustrating watching the current roster management. They probably knew about the mike news a few days ago and did nothing at the deadline.

Phillip Rivers is begging to come play for us through the media. It is pig-headed and stubborn not to sign him. Desean Jackson is a free agent. Go get him.

They won't play instantly, but these moves are so obvious it hurts. Again, the salary cap problem can be circumvented by signing them to two year deals and moving the bulk of their salary to next year.


all of that makes sense from a fans perspective. But realize you are a fan. I think those two have a better idea of what they are doing than you. I wouldn't be mad at either signing, but I'm also just a fan. so uh, yeah
Posted by goatmilker
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75087 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 11:18 am to
I'm so frustrated winning the last four division titles lol
Posted by mdomingue
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 11:31 am to
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Fans...... well they panic when there is adversity.


They panic when there is success.
Posted by tigersquad89
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2014
8483 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 11:34 am to
They literally tried to get receivers. They have built a roster that defeated the defending super bowl champs with Trevor Siemian. Bashing Loomis and Payton for their ability to build a roster is beyond idiotic.
Posted by 504Voodoo
New Orleans
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13788 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 11:47 am to
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incredibly frustrating watching the current roster management. They probably knew about the mike news a few days ago and did nothing at the deadline.


You can't force teams to trade with you. Teams know we need a receiver and the asking price was probably too high to pull the trigger on a mid-level receiver.


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Phillip Rivers is begging to come play for us through the media. It is pig-headed and stubborn not to sign him. Desean Jackson is a free agent. Go get him.


CSP has one of the most difficult and nuanced playbooks to learn in the NFL. Brees mentioned it took him years before he finally had a complete grasp of everything in the playbook. Rivers isn't going to pick up on all of the nuances of the offense in a couple of weeks. Not to mention, Rivers arm is as shot as Brees.

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Desean Jackson is a free agent. Go get him.


Has to clear waivers first




And to the poster underneath you...

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Same two who have ignored receiver and quarterback for a few years


Signed Bridgewater & Jameis
Drafted Garrett & Book
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