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re: LIV posts atrocious ratings for Miami
Posted on 4/9/25 at 4:37 pm to The Pirate King
Posted on 4/9/25 at 4:37 pm to The Pirate King
quote:Are you this dumb?
If LIV was given a primetime slot on ESPN, they would certainly reach or exceed the 500,000 viewer average that TGL is putting up. Thats not even debatable
Sunday in FOX is a far more ratings friendly day than Monday or Tuesday nights on ESPN
Do you realize that? Fox is nationally broadcast and espn is paid cable
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 4:37 pm
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 4:46 pm to lsupride87
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Sunday in FOX is a far more ratings friendly day than Monday or Tuesday nights on ESPN
Wut
. Primetime ESPN weeknights is about 2 million viewers Network Fox had one show TOTAL in the top 50 watched shows this past week and it was #50 at 2.8 million viewers
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 4/9/25 at 4:51 pm to lsupride87
TGL’s average of 513k is pumped up by their 919k & 1.05M in first two weeks.
TGL was a failure, a completely dead product.
Also for the hypothetical LIV on primetime ESPN on a weeknight debate - you’re just ignoring the fact that LIV did 484k while competing with another 1.7M fans watching a pro golf event at the same time. TGL’s advantage is that they are the only golf event on during their window
TGL was a failure, a completely dead product.
Also for the hypothetical LIV on primetime ESPN on a weeknight debate - you’re just ignoring the fact that LIV did 484k while competing with another 1.7M fans watching a pro golf event at the same time. TGL’s advantage is that they are the only golf event on during their window
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 4/9/25 at 4:51 pm to The Pirate King
quote:What a moron
Wut . Primetime ESPN weeknights is about 2 million viewers Network Fox had one show TOTAL in the top 50 watched shows this past week and it was #50 at 2.8 million viewers
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ESPN is currently available in approximately 71 million US households
Fox reaches approximately 118 million households
Why do you think ESPN chooses ABC for its biggest events? Fox on a Sunday is a more expensive advertisement slot than ESPN on a weeknight. It isn’t debatable
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 4/9/25 at 4:54 pm to JimTiger72
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TGL’s average of 513k is pumped up by their 919k & 1.05M in first two weeks.
quote:yet LIV not hitting their average is thriving
TGL was a failure, a completely dead product.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 4:59 pm to lsupride87
Just parroting your narrative that you tried to spin here. Ironic
No one ever said it was thriving, but it’s trending in the right direction. TGL also had the added bonus of not having an entire mob of golf media going against it & actually promoting it.
No one ever said it was thriving, but it’s trending in the right direction. TGL also had the added bonus of not having an entire mob of golf media going against it & actually promoting it.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 4/9/25 at 4:59 pm to lsupride87
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Fox reaches approximately 118 million households
Fox's best content of the week has 2.8 million TVs on it /118 million potential viewers?
ESPN's best content of the week was 4 million viewers/53 million potential viewers.
Thanks for making my point for me.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 5:02 pm to The Pirate King
quote:This is the most brain dead logic
Fox's best content of the week has 2.8 million TVs on it /118 million potential viewers? ESPN's best content of the week was 4 million viewers/53 million potential viewers.
If you could choose A or B for the highest possible ratings
A. LSU vs Florida Monday night on espn
Or
B lsu vs Florida Sunday afternoon on Fox
100/100 times any executive is choosing B. It’s not a debate.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 7:00 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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There are dudes like Rickie Fowler, who is virtually irrelevant on tour now, that could have made massive amounts of money by switching over instead of grinding it out on the tour. Plenty of other guys like that.
I thought the same thing when FIGJAM and Norman were scheming the launch of the Saudi exhibition league.
But it became apparent that Fowler knew his value and where his value comes from. Fowler is not a great golfer and he never was, but he was a good golfer and seemingly a good guy. And he took those two traits and built a valuable brand as a pitchman. And it's there - as a force in advertising - where he makes the majority of his income, and will continue to do so for a long time.
It's clear Fowler was smart enough to know that moving to the trashy and irrelevant Saudi exhibition league would damage his brand, and thus his future long-term income.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:25 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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So those guys got paid like high 8-9 figures and it was only for a few years? I thought they were like lifetime deals. I admit I was just assuming. But that seems insane for LIV to gamble on.
This is why I didn't blame a single player who left. Everybody that was offered should have left. Get an astronomical amount of money (plus LIV tournament winnings) that you wouldn't make in a lifetime on the PGA Tour and if you want, in a few years just go back to the PGA Tour. It was a no brainer.
The stars who stayed got quite a bit in equity, and given the $3B injection from SSG at a $12B valuation, it's going to come out pretty close in the end, I believe. The LIV guys who end up coming back aren't going to get any of that if / when they do come back (and their equity injection from the LIV teams will likely be near-worthless, or some marginal pay off at literal decimals of pennies on the dollar to buy them out).
If the Tour is actually able to grow at some above-market rate over the next 3 - 10 years (certainly within the realm of possible), those guys will likely end up out-and-out financially better off than had they gone to LIV. Many of them didn't stay with the Tour out of some sense of patriotism or sense of duty.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 7:02 am to lsupride87
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espn is paid cable
Is this 1992 again?
Posted on 4/10/25 at 7:29 am to Geauxldilocks
quote:Do you not understand ESPN is not a broadcast network and it is in fact cable that has to be paid for?
Is this 1992 again?
And because of that broadcast networks like ABC, Fox, CBS, and NBC reach 65% more households than ESPN
But pirate king thinks they are fools to put their Big 10 game of the week on FOX and CBS and SEC to use ABC for their big game when they could use espn which is easier for ratings!
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 7:35 am
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:56 am to DallasTiger
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I thought the same thing when FIGJAM and Norman were scheming the launch of the Saudi exhibition league.
But it became apparent that Fowler knew his value and where his value comes from. Fowler is not a great golfer and he never was, but he was a good golfer and seemingly a good guy. And he took those two traits and built a valuable brand as a pitchman. And it's there - as a force in advertising - where he makes the majority of his income, and will continue to do so for a long time.
It's clear Fowler was smart enough to know that moving to the trashy and irrelevant Saudi exhibition league would damage his brand, and thus his future long-term income.
1) It's clear you can't have an unbiased opinion on LIV given you make it a point to call it the exhibition league and trashy and irrelevant league so i don't know why I'm even responding but o well. 2) Rickie wasn't going to be dropped by Puma/Cobra if he left, that's about the only thing Puma golf has going so they weren't dropping him. And the he probably would have earned 75-100 in three years, more than he's earned his entire career on the tour. Again, in just three years.
Those three years would have more than made up for any potential endorsements he lost. And at the end of the day this is their job and they are out there to make money. He isn't winning any majors, but he could have won on LIV and set himself up for life (though he already should be).
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:06 am to lsupride87
quote:And yet you continue to start threads about it.
nobody gives a shite about liv here
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:25 am to lsupride87
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I’m just stating I think Jim, bonds, pirate king, pureblood, and all their Twitter bot friends are toast
rent free in your head. I watched two different golf tournaments last week. Love having more golf to watch. 
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:22 am to AbuTheMonkey
I still can't believe Jay has a job. It wasn't until the LIV threat materialized that miraculously all of that money appeared. There's only two explanations: he was either hiding that money from the players or, more likely, he was too lazy all those years to hustle on the players' behalf and get that purse money.
If I'd have been a Tour player, Monahan would have been on a boat and someone would have Fredo'd his arse. The more the LIV/PGA story has developed, Phil has been vindicated at every turn.
If I'd have been a Tour player, Monahan would have been on a boat and someone would have Fredo'd his arse. The more the LIV/PGA story has developed, Phil has been vindicated at every turn.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:48 am to lsupride87
I'm just gonna leave this here for Jimtiger, bamameister and the other LIV homers:
LINK
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Just 484,000 viewers bothered to tune in, as against the 1.75 million who watched former Open champion Brian Harman’s low-key triumph at the Texas Open. There can be no sugar-coating such a trouncing – not when the final-round contenders in Miami included eight Masters champions, while the San Antonio leaderboard featured only one top-10 player in Maverick McNealy. On its first chance to implant itself in the American consciousness, LIV flunked the moment spectacularly.
In the end, fans are not easily fooled. For all the Saudi Arabian billions lavished on the LIV roster, there is no disguising that the rebel tour remains a soulless enterprise, a grotesque cash-grab whose only obvious distinctions are loud music and an entitlement to play in shorts.
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Denuded of any narrative beyond personal enrichment, it is a project without public connection. Jon Rahm, Brooks Koepka and Phil Mickelson have 13 majors between them, and yet their arrival at Augusta this week stirs merely ennui, with the majority of spectators oblivious to their activities since last summer’s Open.
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Today, though, a tantalising question presents itself. For two years, the received wisdom has been that PIF and the PGA Tour would need to agree on a merger for the wider good of the game. But negotiations have stalled, with Rahm admitting: “It’s not happening any time soon.”
The impasse is only likely to endure, now that we have the clearest illustration of where LIV sits in the sport’s power structures, with the PGA Tour still by far the more potent TV draw. The more this pattern continues, the more confident the main tour will be of heading the renegades off at the pass. Far from bringing down the establishment, LIV is at risk of withering on the vine.
LINK
Posted on 4/10/25 at 11:10 am to slidingstop
a hit piece from an angry Englishman? Some of yall are too ate up with this shite. The Masters is on
Posted on 4/10/25 at 11:15 am to slidingstop
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and an entitlement to play in shorts.
I can tell this is a well researched article
Posted on 4/10/25 at 11:35 am to slidingstop
Yea that'll really show em What a crap article.
What a crap article. 
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