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re: What is the PGA's beef with these Saudi events?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:02 am to lsupride87
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:02 am to lsupride87
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Well that would be fine, but the Tour can see the forrest through the trees. The goal of LIV is to expand and essentially become the Tour
Of course it is now, you can't put what the Tour has done the last 18 months back in the box.
The fact is the Tour thought they were too big to fail when this stuff starting popping up, to the point of negligence IMO but that's up for debate. If they would have worked with the players at the beginning of this shite we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I can't imagine why any player would want to have to travel like they will for LIV or deal with having to answer about being backed by the Saudis or dumbass Greg Norman, but the Tour let it get to this point.
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:03 am to CBandits82
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I don't feel like looking it up but why does the PGA Tour not look at the European Tour the same way?
Why does it let its member compete on the European Tour?
Because when it became obvious that competitor startup tours were going to happen, the PGA Tour and European Tour (now known as the Dude Perfect World Tour) created some sort of strategic alliance.
I don't like the LIV tour, but sometimes to facilitate change to a stagnate product, you need a disruptive force.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:24 am to BlastOff
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causes the Tour to look in the mirror for the first time and figure out how to turn out a better product for us consumers.
What exactly do you want the PGA to do to turn out a better product for us consumers?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:26 am to tigerinthebueche
Still waiting to find out how LIV will be better for consumers.
And besides, no matter what they do the PGA isn't gonna be able to compete with a bottomless money pit that's paying huge appearance fees for players simply to show up, in addition to the giant purses.
And besides, no matter what they do the PGA isn't gonna be able to compete with a bottomless money pit that's paying huge appearance fees for players simply to show up, in addition to the giant purses.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:28 am to LMfan
I still want to know what the PGA can do to make a better product. I hear that comment and chuckle cause no one ever offers up an idea of what they want.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:32 am to tigerinthebueche
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I still want to know what the PGA can do to make a better product.
Do you enjoy events like the 3M Classic or Fortinet Championship?
Do you enjoy the rounds lasting 6 hours?
Do you enjoy 35 minutes of commercials while watching and getting 11 live golf shots in the other 25 minutes around those dumbass features no one cares about?
That's how the PGA Tour can improve the product
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:34 am to tigerinthebueche
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I still want to know what the PGA can do to make a better product. I hear that comment and chuckle cause no one ever offers up an idea of what they want.
Fewer events with smaller fields, so that the best players in the world compete against each other more regularly.
This notion that there has to be 50 events in a calendar year is absurd.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:42 am to Wildcat1996
If liv can get the top 20 players for 15 events per year, the pga becomes the second tier league.
People want to the the top guys compete against each other. That doesn’t happen often outside the majors.
PGA has become too successful for their own good. So much money players don’t have to play a full schedule.
People want to the the top guys compete against each other. That doesn’t happen often outside the majors.
PGA has become too successful for their own good. So much money players don’t have to play a full schedule.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:45 am to lsupride87
quote:You're doing it again. You can't compare the PGA Tour to a business. Nothing even close to similar.
Why would an organization want its independent contractors, or members, doing concurrent business with its biggest competitor and threat?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:16 am to CBandits82
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I don't feel like looking it up but why does the PGA Tour not look at the European Tour the same way? Why does it let its member compete on the European Tour?
LIV will have events in the United States.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:00 pm to Wildcat1996
PGA tour has sour grapes somebody else offering something better and players are considering it
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:06 pm to tigerinthebueche
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I still want to know what the PGA can do to make a better product.
I think the shotgun start idea for LIV is interesting. Obviously, there will be some pros and cons, but it is certainly interesting. If it works for LIV, I'd be interested to see the PGA tool around with it.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:08 pm to CBandits82
What can the tour do? Make sure that fans at tournaments aren't gouged at the concession stand first....$18 beers is a bit much don't ua thak
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:09 pm to Zzyzx
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PGA tour has sour grapes somebody else offering something better and players are considering it
I don't really understand people being upset with the PGA. This is obviously the approach to take. They have 2 options. They implement bans to attempt to dissuade people from leaving. The other option is to spend more money on the players. If the bannings don't work legally or for other reasons, they can always do option number 2. The steps they are taking now are just the most cost efficient options.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:19 pm to DestrehanTiger
All I know is if I would leave for a competitor and take a bunch of revenue generating clients with me I would not be welcomed back.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:06 pm to TDTOM
quote:Oh boy.
All I know is if I would leave for a competitor and take a bunch of revenue generating clients with me I would not be welcomed back.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:16 pm to AlxTgr
PGA tour is about to mess around and find out. After all, the PGA tour was kind of formed the same way. They were the competition for the PGA of America tour early on. If 3-5 more big name guys decide to move over, the PGA tour may have to allow players to play on both. I'm hearing some of golf's top amateurs are getting some pretty wild offers to join the Saudi tour.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 4:00 pm to tigerinthebueche
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What exactly do you want the PGA to do to turn out a better product for us consumers?
Do shite like the upcoming Netflix series, figure out better ways to integrate commercial sponsors like they do in soccer and F1, have more creative events, figure out how to get the top players to do a separate couple of events (like the ongoing Match series)...I mean I can keep going, but they've been on autopilot for years, thanks to Tiger.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 4:18 pm to BlastOff
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but causes the Tour to look in the mirror for the first time and figure out how to turn out a better product for us consumers.
none of this has anything to do with the PGA needing to be a better product for consumers. That's not why their players are playing or considering playing in LIV events. It is 100% solely, "the LIV tour will pay me a stupid amount of money just to show up and the PGA Tour can't and won't."
The consumer product angle is irrelevant. The LIV Tour isn't reinventing the sport of golf to make it more exciting. They're just using oil money to try to steal all the best players from the PGA Tour.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 5:08 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Do you enjoy 35 minutes of commercials while watching and getting 11 live golf shots in the other 25 minutes around those dumbass features no one cares about?
That's how the PGA Tour can improve the product
Ok, at least you gave a substantive response. All good ideas to boot.
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