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re: Is lsu going away from the dual- threat qb?
Posted on 1/9/16 at 10:34 pm to Rex
Posted on 1/9/16 at 10:34 pm to Rex
I'm with you.
But I will say, in terms of continue to recruiting future NFL players, in this case, hoping we get a QB that can play on (Saturdays &) Sundays, NFL QB's really need no more mobility than Steve Young, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson, imo. Anything more is just an high-priced injury practically guaranteed to happen (McNabb, Vick, RG3, Kaepernick, etc..).
Ideally, I want a pocket passer with good mobility, but not a scramble first guy nor a sitting-duck immobile QB (ex: Mett's injury).
With all that said, the only time Miles' dual-threat run-for-your-life QB has ever worked out in a gameplan was in 2011 when we beat Bama in Bama. I was initially upset when Lee was unfairly pulled for Jefferson, but I don't think we beat Bama if Lee was in that game. Bama had to defend not just 5 skill players, but also Jefferson's legs, which was crucial for moving the chains. Miles had it right.
Outside of this game, Jefferson, Jennings, & Harris' passing incompetencies has made me cringe at the notion of yet another "dual-threat" QB because we all know Miles' selections are basically single threats incompetents.
But I will say, in terms of continue to recruiting future NFL players, in this case, hoping we get a QB that can play on (Saturdays &) Sundays, NFL QB's really need no more mobility than Steve Young, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson, imo. Anything more is just an high-priced injury practically guaranteed to happen (McNabb, Vick, RG3, Kaepernick, etc..).
Ideally, I want a pocket passer with good mobility, but not a scramble first guy nor a sitting-duck immobile QB (ex: Mett's injury).
With all that said, the only time Miles' dual-threat run-for-your-life QB has ever worked out in a gameplan was in 2011 when we beat Bama in Bama. I was initially upset when Lee was unfairly pulled for Jefferson, but I don't think we beat Bama if Lee was in that game. Bama had to defend not just 5 skill players, but also Jefferson's legs, which was crucial for moving the chains. Miles had it right.
Outside of this game, Jefferson, Jennings, & Harris' passing incompetencies has made me cringe at the notion of yet another "dual-threat" QB because we all know Miles' selections are basically single threats incompetents.
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Posted on 1/9/16 at 11:02 pm to monsterballads
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franks is a pro style QB
so Franks is a pro style QB and he is not signing with LSU
These are facts we all know
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Thanks for the information
Posted on 1/9/16 at 11:12 pm to UptownnMike
No dual threat can throw and run. Cam Newton is a good example. He is developing into more of a pocket passer in his professional game.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 11:16 pm to LSUFreek
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Outside of this game, Jefferson, Jennings, & Harris' passing incompetencies has made me cringe at the notion of yet another "dual-threat" QB because we all know Miles' selections are basically single threats incompetents.
so what you are saying is we need a QB who is an accurate passer. Whether considered a "dual threat" or a "single threat", what we really need is a QB who can throw the ball. Ideally someone like Shea Patterson who can hurt you with his running or his passing. Unfortunately there just isn't a whole lot of those guys around, and the good high school QB's that there are, we seem to have trouble landing. Add in that our offense hasn't been very QB friendly, and you wind up with the kind of QB's that we have had.
If we can land a good QB, and also continue trying to develop our offense, then maybe the perception of our offense will change and we will have better luck landing a good high school dual threat or single threat QB.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 11:18 pm to LSUFreek
Big Ben, Elway, those are the type of guys you are talking about. Mobile in the pocket and moves with his protection while keeping eyes down field.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 11:23 pm to easy money
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Big Ben, Elway, those are the type of guys you are talking about. Mobile in the pocket and moves with his protection while keeping eyes down field.
definitely would be good if we could recruit another Elway or Roethlisberger, but short of that, would also be pretty happy if we could land Haskins.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 11:24 pm to Blktiger
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Is lsu going away from the dual- threat qb?
During the Miles era, I'm not sure we ever went TO the dual threat QB. Of the scholarship qb's CLM has had that come to mind, only 2 have been dual threat QB's.
Russell (recruited by Saban but played more under Miles)-pro style
Flynn (recruited by Saban but played more under Miles)-pro style
Ryan Perrilloux-dual threat
Andrew Hatch-pro style???. I couldn't find him listed on old recruiting sites.
Jarrett Lee-pro style
Jordan Jefferson-mobile and ran some for LSU, but classified by Rivals as pro style coming out of HS.
Zach Lee-pro style
Steven Rivers-pro style
Matt Mettenberger-pro style
Hayden Rettig-pro style
Anthony Jennings-pro style by 247Sports
Brandon Harris-dual threat
ETA: Jeremy Liggins, 2012. Listed by Rivals as dual threat. Committed to LSU, but never played. Ended up at Ole Miss where he played a number of "hybrid" positions.
This post was edited on 1/11/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:40 am to Dudebro2
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but if you don't use one of those threats "at all" basically than why recruit the player.
I hope you're not suggesting that LSU doesn't use its QBs' running abilities. I think I remember seeing Harris keep the ball for a nice ain in the bowl game. When AJ played against Bama last time it was his running that kept us in the game.
As someone else posted, it's obviously better to have a QB with good running ability. The best way to use that, imo, is rarely but effectively. It's a great way to punish teams that play man coverage, which is why Chavis intelligently had his line rush carefully.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 8:07 am to Blktiger
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Is lsu going away from the dual- threat qb?
Duel threat, Pro style.......very intelligent, cool under pressure, accurate and good size. Anything else is a bonus.
A lot of these QB's run fast, throw hard and burn it up in HS. When they get to college, they mentally can't develop very fast or lose it under pressure.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 8:15 am to Penrod
On one hand we argue that this coaching staff has failed to develop QBs. On the other hand we talk about the "run for your life QB". If the former is true (poor system and lack of development) then many fans on this board fail to understand that our offensive scheme requires mobility, not because the system is designed for him to run, but because the passing game is so easily diagnosed by opponents, scrambling becomes more a matter of safety, common sense, and self preservation. Yet I hear people here, begging for guys who lack the ability to do what common sense dictates.
D'wayne Haskins said it best at the UA AA game. When questioned whether he was a Dual threat or PP, he says that "I am a multiple threat. I mean if I'm at risk of getting hit, I'm not going to sit there and get killed". Well said D'wayne. However, it's sad that he felt the need to say multiple, which instead of being able to run or throw, took into account his mind. Because dumb asses hear DT, and think it means "dumb scrambler". Steve Young, Steve McNair, Brett Farve, and now Aaron Rodgers, who could all move, were/are not "dual threats", but QBs. Steve Mcnair who left college with the all time yardage record, and who I watched run 50 yard TDs in the NFL, ended up being a nfl mvp. Interestingly Scowt.com doesn't make a distinction. Just QB.
I watched Alabama v. Michigan state. I watched both QB get pummeled in the 1st qtr. I was sleep by the 2nd qtr. When I woke up it was over. As I fell I asleep, I recalled thinking that these poor guys, either can't move, or have been led to believe letting defenders pop them while they threw in effective passes, is football. IT IS NOT. Get over it. At the end of the day you need a QB (and all that the position encompasses). Lastly, they need a system that doesn't temp them to haul arse 20x a game.
D'wayne Haskins said it best at the UA AA game. When questioned whether he was a Dual threat or PP, he says that "I am a multiple threat. I mean if I'm at risk of getting hit, I'm not going to sit there and get killed". Well said D'wayne. However, it's sad that he felt the need to say multiple, which instead of being able to run or throw, took into account his mind. Because dumb asses hear DT, and think it means "dumb scrambler". Steve Young, Steve McNair, Brett Farve, and now Aaron Rodgers, who could all move, were/are not "dual threats", but QBs. Steve Mcnair who left college with the all time yardage record, and who I watched run 50 yard TDs in the NFL, ended up being a nfl mvp. Interestingly Scowt.com doesn't make a distinction. Just QB.
I watched Alabama v. Michigan state. I watched both QB get pummeled in the 1st qtr. I was sleep by the 2nd qtr. When I woke up it was over. As I fell I asleep, I recalled thinking that these poor guys, either can't move, or have been led to believe letting defenders pop them while they threw in effective passes, is football. IT IS NOT. Get over it. At the end of the day you need a QB (and all that the position encompasses). Lastly, they need a system that doesn't temp them to haul arse 20x a game.
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 11:12 am
Posted on 1/10/16 at 8:54 am to Blktiger
Seven years to late
Posted on 1/10/16 at 6:23 pm to Blktiger
Les and Cam recruit dual threat, and by the time they're done coaching them, they become zero threat.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 1:15 pm to Blktiger
Miles signs whatever, he can get. Jennings, McMillan, Etling types.The state of Louisiana quit producing big time QB's which forces Miles to be the ugly kid looking for a date for the prom. Take anyone that will say yes. Pro style, Dual threat whichever. Saban has battled this same issue but the state of Alabama has produced just enough and Coker fell in their lap, like Mettenberger did for Miles.
Cam Cameron was supposed to help with recruiting OOS QB's, but thus far not much difference. Its a tough sale talking OOS QB's to leave state and not be the focal point of the offense.
Cam Cameron was supposed to help with recruiting OOS QB's, but thus far not much difference. Its a tough sale talking OOS QB's to leave state and not be the focal point of the offense.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 2:11 pm to Blktiger
What good is dual threat capabilities if you don't use the dual threat?
Posted on 1/11/16 at 2:18 pm to LSUANDY25
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Its a tough sale talking OOS QB's to leave state and not be the focal point of the offense.
OUr offense scheme doesn't really lure in top QB's either.
People get to tied up in dual threat or pro style.
Bama recruited the #2 ranked dual threat in 2015 and the #3 Pro style in 2014. Obviously they don't give a dam either whether a QB is called a dual threat or pro style. It's just about recruiting the best you can get, labels don't matter.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 4:02 pm to boxcar willie
If they can sign QB's they might go with the wildcat or old two full backs two tailbacks.
LOL but in high school we did that when our top two QB's went down and our third stringer would cry in the huddle.
LOL but in high school we did that when our top two QB's went down and our third stringer would cry in the huddle.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:08 pm to Blktiger
I just want a productive QB. I don't give a crap what he's labeled.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:47 pm to Laman1978
Man Alabam's singal threat QB is helpless back there. 
Posted on 1/12/16 at 12:00 am to Blktiger
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Yea I think it's time we move away from dual threats and go strictly pro-style
It is abundantly obvious to anyone who has watched us at all that this is the right move forward.
Posted on 1/12/16 at 12:02 am to Blktiger
We are going to the "sweet Jesus we need a QB" style approach
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