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re: Brice Turang Related: Differences between H.S. players going pro vs going to school
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:13 am to Erin Go Bragh
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:13 am to Erin Go Bragh
That would be a shot show bc you would have mlb teams putting innings restrictions and asking questions to college coaches as to why their prospect isn’t playing or performing as expected. Also, if the kid tanks in college the negotiation would be a disaster
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:17 am to Tiger1988
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it’s a no brainer to go to the pros.
I've been posting from the GM's perspective but you're right, from the player's perspective it has to be difficult to walk away from first-round money.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:17 am to Tiger1988
It's a no brainer if the money is the same, it's not if going to college nets you quite a bit more.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:21 am to HueyP
Kids having the option of going pro or going to college is a better system than football.
All kids aren't college material. They should be able to choose. I like it that baseball does that.
I also like the way the pros stay off college kids for 3 years or until they turn 21. I also like it that kids drafted do not have to go pro.
All kids aren't college material. They should be able to choose. I like it that baseball does that.
I also like the way the pros stay off college kids for 3 years or until they turn 21. I also like it that kids drafted do not have to go pro.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:22 am to bugafor6
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ould be a shot show bc you would have mlb teams putting innings restrictions and asking questions to college coaches as to why their prospect isn’t playing or performing as expected
There's little question it's undoable. I was speculating on what a GM, wanting to mitigate mistakes that could cost him his job, would prefer.
With some fine-tuning, it could be an alternative to rookie leagues but as you said, it comes with downsides as well.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:23 am to Tiger1988
For Turang, it all boils down to the experience of being a part of college baseball. That’s it and he knows it. When Todd Walker was calling the Auburn game, he said his biggest regret in his career was not returning to LSU for his last season. Said he wouldn’t trade his college experience for anything, and how it’s a once in a lifetime opportunity. Financially, it makes sense to sign now, but if he doesn’t he will have the chance to sign again in 3 years. If he signs now he will never be able to experience playing college baseball. That’s what it boils down to.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:33 am to Erin Go Bragh
Its an interesting thought but I’m sure there is something most people don’t really know about that goes on financially with the minor league teams. The minor league team itself probably pays the salaries and the MLB team just pays signing bonuses. The really low level teams probably play in Parks equivalent to a hs field so barely any money is spent on them.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:40 am to bugafor6
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The minor league team itself probably pays the salaries
Are you saying that the minor league teams pay for the salaries of the mlb players?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:55 am to civiltiger07
We are talking about minor league affiliates paying an organizations prospects to play for them. I’m not saying that a minor league team is paying a mlb teams 200m payroll
This post was edited on 6/17/18 at 9:59 am
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:20 am to Tiger1988
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Secondly, if a player signs for 3.5 out of high school
Don’t forget to take taxes out
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invests 1MM of it, he would easily make 8-10% on return
8-10% returns would be amazing, to think that’s “easy” is crazy
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:30 am to tadelatt
I think one of their reasons that I haven’t seen brought up yet is gms aren’t as prone to draft on potential when it comes to college players. They are drafting a close to finished product instead if someone they hope will be good 5 years down the road.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:30 am to H-Town Tiger
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8-10% returns would be amazing, to think that’s “easy” is crazy
Dude - ANY decent investor is going to make that safely. He will invest strategically across the markets and make that with his eyes closed.
This is about short and long term growth. Hell 4% on 1 is still a significant amount of money when looking at it for 3 years.
This guy getting 3-4MM would be stupid not to sign. How much fricking money do you think it will take to live on for a single man for a 4 years. WTF.put the pipe down and just count him gone unless he simply wants to go to college because financially it makes ZERO sense.
quote:still paying Uncle Sam when he does sign. Are you a tax payer yet? Trust me, pay him and shelter as much as you can.
Don’t forget to take taxes out
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:32 am to bugafor6
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Its an interesting thought but I’m sure there is something most people don’t really know about that goes on financially with the minor league teams. The minor league team itself probably pays the salaries and the MLB team just pays signing bonuses. The really low level teams probably play in Parks equivalent to a hs field so barely any money is spent on them.
first of all, MLB teams do not OWN their minor league affiliates. they are bid on and selected by the parent club. I am not 100% of who pays what but I think the minor league ownership pays for the stadium expense and the players (or some of) salaries which are very, very low. the parent club pays for the player bonuses and the coaching staff. I also think the minor league affiliate pays for the travel expenses.
nevertheless, these franchises are, in general, profitable to their owners and the parent club minimizes the cost to themselves. the minor league club makes money on ticket sales, parking, some advertising and concessions. baseball players play a lot of games and some of the towns that have minor league clubs really don't have a lot of entertainment available to the townfolk; college or pro.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:33 am to Tiger1988
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Secondly, if a player signs for 3.5 out of high school and invests 1MM of it, he would easily make 8-10% on return. So as that money grows those extra 2-3 years while he is in the minors, that has to be added to the total of his salary difference between him and a college player. If you break down the Jucos from 4 year college and average time,it would help because you would know how long they were in school while the high schools kid’s money was growing.
I would bet most of the kids that get drafted don’t even think about investing it and the ones who do aren’t getting back a 10% roi in the first year of doing so.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:34 am to H-Town Tiger
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Don’t forget to take taxes out
And agent fees
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:35 am to 0
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think one of their reasons that I haven’t seen brought up yet
Actually it was a big part of the book “Moneyball”
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:39 am to H-Town Tiger
In this thread
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:47 am to Tiger1988
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Dude - ANY decent investor is going to make that safely. He will invest strategically across the markets and make that with his eyes closed. This is about short and long term growth. Hell 4% on 1 is still a significant amount of money when looking at it for 3 years.
If you think any decent investor can roll out of bed and make 8-10% you don’t follow markets very well. Sure it’s possible and does happen but the historical market return is about 7% and studies have shown most active funds do not beat the market.
Please note I’m not saying he shouldn’t invest he certainly should I’m jist laughing at the notion that he’s grt 8-10% no problem
This post was edited on 6/17/18 at 10:48 am
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:51 am to dome53
Wrong as many of the younger players are international signees. You must not follow much MLB.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:53 am to Skooter
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So, you're more likely to make the majors sooner, but less likely to make it at all going straight out of high school.
Depends how long the player stayed in college.
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