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re: Coach Orgeron’s grade this season
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:13 pm to Space Cowboy
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:13 pm to Space Cowboy
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in any event, Einstein, those five offensive linemen didn’t leave LSU because of O,
I didn’t say they left because of O, I asked you to clarify how it was the fault of his predecessor when they left anywhere from 3-10 months after he was fired.
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they left because they realized they weren’t good enough to play for LSU.
That’s just a false blanket statement. One was a multi year starter and another started at least once when we had injury issues in 2016. Three of those probably would have played before we had to rely on the true freshmen. You can’t bitch about playing freshmen while thinking it’s okay to lose several players who had been in the program for multiple years and would have provided depth.
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Furthermore, please explain in detail how the injuries and the suspensions were coach O’s fault.
I didn’t say it was O’s fault. I asked you to clarify how exactly it was his predecessor’s fault when it happened 12 months after he was fired.
ETA: You should be able to find positives in the season without resorting to make believe BS, and it shouldn’t be unreasonable to point out the negatives either.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 3:15 pm
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Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:21 pm to TrueTigerTale
C+
Negatives:
- Slow start with little energy or emotion and play seemed soft. We seemed beat before we started against State. Took the players telling him he needed to be harder on them after Troy to get the message?
- Mishandling the media (IMO). Openly offering the story of the JA meetings due to poor communication. Poor job by HC that it happened, but even worse to tell everyone about it.
- Openly knocking players to the media. Kickers and Brosette at least.
- Handling of Canada situation at end of regular season. He didn’t go too far on this one, but given prior events it didn’t take much reading between the lines to figure out their relationship isn’t great and he wouldn’t be disappointed to see Canada move on.
Positives:
- The turn after Troy was impressive. Regardless of how it happened, O deserves credit.
- Improved clock management.
- He made statements during the season regarding critical recruiting needs and I believe he’s delivered on them. He’s done a great job shoring up the lines with both new and experienced (JUCO) talent, and he secured a talented kicker. Signing Marshall was a big win and looking forward to how we close on remaining 4 spots.
- Handled the Grimes situation very well with an immediate replacement announcement which helped us cruise right through early signing with seemingly no impact to 2018 class.
Negatives:
- Slow start with little energy or emotion and play seemed soft. We seemed beat before we started against State. Took the players telling him he needed to be harder on them after Troy to get the message?
- Mishandling the media (IMO). Openly offering the story of the JA meetings due to poor communication. Poor job by HC that it happened, but even worse to tell everyone about it.
- Openly knocking players to the media. Kickers and Brosette at least.
- Handling of Canada situation at end of regular season. He didn’t go too far on this one, but given prior events it didn’t take much reading between the lines to figure out their relationship isn’t great and he wouldn’t be disappointed to see Canada move on.
Positives:
- The turn after Troy was impressive. Regardless of how it happened, O deserves credit.
- Improved clock management.
- He made statements during the season regarding critical recruiting needs and I believe he’s delivered on them. He’s done a great job shoring up the lines with both new and experienced (JUCO) talent, and he secured a talented kicker. Signing Marshall was a big win and looking forward to how we close on remaining 4 spots.
- Handled the Grimes situation very well with an immediate replacement announcement which helped us cruise right through early signing with seemingly no impact to 2018 class.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:23 pm to lakelanier
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You are simply an O hater which translates into an LSU fair-weather fan.
You may be the dumbest poster on this site if you actually believe I am a fair-weather fan. Cut the shite out. It is moronic to suggest me grading Coach O a C+ is anything but fair or the fact it was clearly a down year for the SEC. Those are facts. Accept them or just live in denial.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:33 pm to themunch
Bert was getting fired regardless. Sumlin is a toss up but probably was getting the axe regardless as well. Butch would have been fired even if coached against us.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:37 pm to TrueTigerTale
Don’t matter what else happened.
Historically bad loss to State and lost to Troy at home. Mix that with a really down year in the SEC, he can’t bet a better grade than C-
Historically bad loss to State and lost to Troy at home. Mix that with a really down year in the SEC, he can’t bet a better grade than C-
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:40 pm to memphis tiger
C
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:42 pm to TrueTigerTale
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Extremely high marks for addressing LSU’s immediate needs in recruiting,
This is where you lost credibility. Orgeron did okay in recruiting. But the objective experts have this class at about 10 in the country IF we get who we think. That’s not great. It certainly is not championship recruiting. If you want to see what is, take a look at Georgia, Bama, Clemson, OSU and Texas. They are separating themselves from the rest of college football - including LSU. I would not give “Extremely high marks” for that.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:49 pm to TrueTigerTale
At least a B with a win over ND.
Regardless of the schedule, getting to 10 wins is an achievement for several reasons:
Team had weaknesses. Talent was lacking at some positions and was critically thin at others. OL had a little of both, but improved throughout the season.
Guice & Key were projected as 1st round picks to start the year, but we’re hampered by injuries all year.
The team could have quit on several occasions, but never did.
Regardless of the schedule, getting to 10 wins is an achievement for several reasons:
Team had weaknesses. Talent was lacking at some positions and was critically thin at others. OL had a little of both, but improved throughout the season.
Guice & Key were projected as 1st round picks to start the year, but we’re hampered by injuries all year.
The team could have quit on several occasions, but never did.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:54 pm to MOT
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I didn’t say they left because of O, I asked you to clarify how it was the fault of his predecessor when they left anywhere from 3-10 months after he was fired.
Well, now you know. You are probably too stupid to accept it but now you know. Meanwhile, you did blame it all on O. Go back and read your own stupid post and send me some of that strong stuff you are smoking. I want some!
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That’s just a false blanket statement. One was a multi-year starter and another started at least once when we had injury issues in 2016. Three of those probably would have played before we had to rely on the true freshmen. You can’t bitch about playing freshmen while thinking it’s okay to lose several players who had been in the program for multiple years and would have provided depth.
A false blanket statement? Really? How was it coach O’s fault that multi-year starter left? Was it coach O’s fault that player was too damn lazy to take care of his own damn business? What more did you expect coach O to do for him, take his damn classes for him? Cover up for him? Come on man, sell me some of that strong shite you are smoking. Quit hogging it all to yourself, dammit.
With respect to the other offensive lineman that left, I’m simply reporting what was reported in the newspapers, as there was a ton of articles detailing why they left. It’s not my fault you are too dumb to read the damn newspapers.
Moreover, the young freshman offensive linemen that played were by far not the only offensive lineman still on the team. There were also other players recruited by Miles and company that simply got passed up by those true freshmen that O brought in the 2017 class, and one of them that might have contributed more this season was suspended because he had charges filed against him. Nonetheless, explain how that was coach O’s fault? Like I said, sell me some of that strong shite you are smoking.
Meanwhile, go back and read your stupid post, you did blame everything on coach O like a deranged lunatic.
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I didn’t say it was O’s fault. I asked you to clarify how exactly it was his predecessor’s fault when it happened 12 months after he was fired.
ETA: You should be able to find positives in the season without resorting to make believe BS, and it shouldn’t be unreasonable to point out the negatives either.
Yes, you did! You blamed everything on coach O! Go back and read your own damn post!
Meanwhile, you should stop lying through your teeth and sell me some of that strong shite you are smoking, you crack head.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 4:04 pm to TrueTigerTale
C,
The loss to Troy being a huge negative, can salvage a c+ with a top 10 recruiting clas, would need top 5 for a B grade
The loss to Troy being a huge negative, can salvage a c+ with a top 10 recruiting clas, would need top 5 for a B grade
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 12/25/17 at 4:04 pm to Penrod
LSU’s immediate need was linemen and signing top Juco linemen who can play immediately.one One was the top six Juco the other according to The Advocate sports was recruited by 34 colleges of those 12 were in the SEC.
Orgeron lost ihis O line coach and didn’t lose any ground in recruiting, which is damn impressive
Orgeron lost ihis O line coach and didn’t lose any ground in recruiting, which is damn impressive
Posted on 12/25/17 at 4:17 pm to Space Cowboy
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Go back and read your own damn post!
Here is the post in its entirety. Please point out where I blamed it on Orgeron.
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His predecessor was fired in September 2016, but he is to blame for 5 offensive linemen leaving the program between December 2016 and July 2017, and also to blame for 4 defensive linemen being injured, suspended, or ejected from a game in September 2017?
Posted on 12/25/17 at 4:22 pm to MOT
B
Posted on 12/25/17 at 4:27 pm to TrueTigerTale
With the talent we had on this years team and the fact that we lost to Troy and to Miss St by the amount we did, I grade Orgeron a D+. Most of our victories were over teams that were not very good, exception being Auburn.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 4:28 pm to Space Cowboy
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In any event, Einstein, those five offensive linemen didn’t leave LSU because of O, they left because they realized they weren’t good enough to play for LSU
How do you know this?
Posted on 12/25/17 at 4:35 pm to Goldrush25
Coach O wasn’t involved with Olinemen leaving, Grimes and Canada were. Coach O was involved with the Dline.
Posted on 12/25/17 at 4:37 pm to TrueTigerTale
Why keeping Aranda? He had a contract....
Hmmmm I see the narrative but I don't understand why this was needed
Hmmmm I see the narrative but I don't understand why this was needed
Posted on 12/25/17 at 4:39 pm to MOT
at you for arguing with Space Cowboy... Dude is as bright as a gray crayonPosted on 12/25/17 at 4:41 pm to tduecen
Yeah I’m kicking myself for wasting the time.
Are you still hearing the same OC info?
Are you still hearing the same OC info?
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