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re: Daniels vs nuss improvements
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:28 pm to Whodatthere
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:28 pm to Whodatthere
At this point in Daniels career, further development is unlikely. He would be what a 5th year starter? He has consistent stats yearly and is a really good “floor” QB that you could expect to win 7-8 games yearly with, with an occasional upset or 2.
Nuss is FAR more likely to develop as he gains more game experience, which will help me understand which throws he can make at this level.
Nuss is FAR more likely to develop as he gains more game experience, which will help me understand which throws he can make at this level.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 1:29 pm
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:42 pm to Whodatthere
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. Who do you think becomes more lethal at the QB position.
HOWARD
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:20 pm to Whodatthere
Daniels gets a brain transplant and becomes Joe Burrow ???
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:24 pm to Whodatthere
Either one wins the Heisman, so I don't care.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:27 pm to Whodatthere
For the tRant...the most lethal one will be whoever ends up on the bench.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:44 pm to josh336
That is a helluva big assumption . Hasn’t happened yet and most likely never will . Time to develop Nuss and WH .
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:46 pm to LSBoosie
Daniels doesn’t belong in the same sentence as Burrow ! Please !!
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:48 pm to TheJuicey
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At this point in Daniels career, further development is unlikely. He would be what a 5th year starter? He has consistent stats yearly and is a really good “floor” QB that you could expect to win 7-8 games yearly with, with an occasional upset or 2.
Yeah, the hypothetical of JD suddenly transforming after 4 years as a starter has gotten old. Ask the starting 2023 receivers what they think.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:52 pm to Whodatthere
Daniels is an insane athlete. If he actually gets the ball out in time He would be nuts.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:56 pm to Whodatthere
Daniels has more problems than releasing the ball sooner.
He has to be much better at looking downfield to take advantage of our great receiving group, something Nuss did as soon as he went in the game despite playing very little this year. He has to make his progressions to second or third receiver. His holding the ball was more waiting for the guy he was looking at to get open, then trying to find someone else to throw to.
Once Georgia made some adjustment to put safety help deep, Nuss made an ill advised pass that got picked off in the end zone, so he seems to be making the same mistakes.
He has to be much better at looking downfield to take advantage of our great receiving group, something Nuss did as soon as he went in the game despite playing very little this year. He has to make his progressions to second or third receiver. His holding the ball was more waiting for the guy he was looking at to get open, then trying to find someone else to throw to.
Once Georgia made some adjustment to put safety help deep, Nuss made an ill advised pass that got picked off in the end zone, so he seems to be making the same mistakes.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:09 pm to Whodatthere
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Let’s say both guys go into the off-season and each correct their major flaw. Daniels is able to make a decision and release the ball much faster and Nuss cleans up the recklessness style of throwing. All else stays the same. Who do you think becomes more lethal at the QB position.
Daniels’ problems are deeper than just reading and throwing faster. He also lacks the overall arm strength to be a great deep passer. The stats back this up, as we are 54th in yards per pass attempt and 90th in yards per completion. It’s the combination of all of the above that are the problem.
Watching he and Nuss play in the same game just underlines this issue. Look back at the deep ball Daniels attempted in the first half as an example. Yes, it was thrown a second too late, so the WR had to slow up to wait for the ball, allowing the CB to catch up. However, that second doesn’t matter as much if Daniels isn’t throwing a Jeff Blake-level moonshot down the field. A guy with a bigger arm can put more on a throw like that and either get it further downfield and still in front of the WR, or just beat the CB to the spot.
I think we all know that Nuss has above average to exception arm strength. That doesn’t negate his own deficiencies and I’m not saying it does. However, watching him throw it downfield last weekend does show just how below average Daniels is in this respect. If he just had average arm strength he would be hitting on more deep shots.
Because of how much stretching the field vertically can help the O Line and the run game, I would prefer to see Nuss fix his issues and take the job. It could be him or Howard, actually. I know that Daniels is a more effective runner, but neither of Nuss or Howard are below average athletes. They can both do enough on the ground to be a viable threat and keep a defense honest while stretching the field more effectively. I just don’t think Daniels can improve his arm strength enough to balance this equation if one of our better passers (assumptions on Howard here. We know Nuss has superior arm talent) makes a leap.
Hypothetically, if you could waive a wand and give Daniels a better deep ball and more ambition to use it, I would love to see him sling it for one more season. I think he is good to elite in a lot of other respects if he could add that.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:24 pm to LSBoosie
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I mean it’s somewhat related. Burrow and Daniels are different types of quarterbacks. I think Nuss is similar to Burrow. Obviously not as good, but they have the “if the CB isn’t looking at me, my receiver is open” mindset. I think Nuss also has more room for improvement. The only improvement I see Daniels making is actually pulling the trigger to make throws. I think Nuss has more room for improvement on things like accuracy, decision making, pocket awareness, etc
What you were doing is a logical fallacy called a Red Herring. You are distracting from the relevant question, which is not if they can resolve their issues but who you choose if they do.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 4:30 pm to mdomingue
We’ll then there are a ton of other questions that need to be answered too. Are they only improving in the one area that the OP is referring to, or can they improve in other areas as well. I like Nuss’s style of quarterback play better than Daniels. But if the only thing he improves at is his 1:1 TD to INT ratio, then I might still say Daniels. If Nuss is able to limit his turnovers and improve his accuracy, among other things, then I’d go with Nuss. I believe that Nuss has more room for growth.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:09 pm to josh336
Nuss’ last td vs GA was very Burrow-like….even the announcers said it….
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:18 pm to Whodatthere
Let's say there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:50 pm to Zippydog
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:40 pm to tirebiter
I think it’s telling that the same people that ask us to excuse JD’s bad performances also say that Nuss is trash when he has had so few games to judge him by. Nuss scored more points than JD and had more yards and more importantly more yards per pass vs GA and they each had one half for the game…
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:48 pm to TigerDM
Nuss passed for two more tds after that mistake….and LSU got a defensive stop after that interception…..so it was like a punt…
Posted on 12/8/22 at 7:44 am to LSBoosie
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I believe that Nuss has more room for growth.
In realistic terms, you are definitely right. Unfortunately for Daniels, he has developed bad habits that will be hard for him to correct because they have actually served him well in many circumstances. Just not really against teams that have a plan and the athletes to contain his running. And that is coming from a guy most would probably see as a Daniels supporter.
It comes down to this, habits set in over time. Nuss has way fewer reps and his bad habits can never feel like a good thing, unlike Daniels when he scrambles for 20-30 yards and the occasional touchdown. So Daniels is still more likely to fall back to his habits than Nuss.
It's also why I think Howard eventually passes Nuss, maybe this off-season.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 9:09 am to sp22
@sp22 A 68.5% completion percentage is accurate. Please stop using that word when trying to characterize Daniels. His completion percentage was higher than Burrow (57.8%) in his first year in the SEC (...and no league gives as many different defensive looks like the SEC, IMO). It doesn't mean that he will be like Burrow because they are different. But clearly both are being looked at by some through different lenses.
@robbyTiger
I'm cautiously optimistic about Nuss' performance as well, but we must remember, UGA didn't prepare for or have enough film on Nussmeier as they did Daniels. All we've learned from this is UGA prepares for the QB they're playing against well. But I do think Nussmeier's arm talent can overcome those questions.
What's not in question is how quickly he was able to flip the field on UGA on two straight possessions after he got his arm loosend up. But clearly UGA's strategy would change if they knew he was the QB they were facing (possibly more 7-8 man coverage). Hopefully, we'll get to find out next season.
@robbyTiger
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Nuss scored more points than JD and had more yards and more importantly more yards per pass vs GA and they each had one half for the game…
I'm cautiously optimistic about Nuss' performance as well, but we must remember, UGA didn't prepare for or have enough film on Nussmeier as they did Daniels. All we've learned from this is UGA prepares for the QB they're playing against well. But I do think Nussmeier's arm talent can overcome those questions.
What's not in question is how quickly he was able to flip the field on UGA on two straight possessions after he got his arm loosend up. But clearly UGA's strategy would change if they knew he was the QB they were facing (possibly more 7-8 man coverage). Hopefully, we'll get to find out next season.
This post was edited on 12/8/22 at 9:20 am
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